I know I haven’t been updating much.  There are several reasons for this.  The biggest is that one can only say, “Don’t be a fucking idiot” in so many ways before the message begin to get a little monotonous.

The other is that I’ve been leading a life so devoid of drama that I’m not analyzing much about relationships.   Here’s the rub:  What the poly community does really need is a good picture of what good multiple relationships can look like.

First and foremost,communication really is crucial.  Communication doesn’t have to be these long, drawn-out relationship analysis sessions.  If you’ve let it get that far, you need to learn to communicate better.  Communication involves things like, “I’ve got a big meeting that I need to drive to, so I need the car early Thursday morning.”  or “Honey, those spontanious foot rubs you’ll give?  I love those and feel really cherished when you do that.” or “Sugar, when your boyfriend comes over, would you please change the sheets when he leaves?”  It’s like washing the dishes immediately after dinner before they get crusty.  If you do it in little bits regularly, you keep on top of it without a lot of nonsense.

When it’s working you don’t have this sense of urgency.  You’ll certainly feel a sense of joy and excitement about your relationships from time to time. What you don’t have is the drama of a movie or romance novel, where everything is urgent and you feel like you’re hanging over the edge of a cliff in a life or death struggle.  Love is great, love is wonderful, love is the most important thing in the world.  Thing is, it’s not a life or death struggle.  If love is a struggle, you’ve got a lot of internal character work to do.  That’s okay, but don’t accept it as the norm.  It’s a flaw to be worked on.1

When it’s working you’ve chosen people who will listen to you. However, I want to address the expression “You’re not listening!”  A lot of people use this incorrectly, assuming that if the person is listening carefully, they would immediately agree with exactly what they want.  That’s not the case.  Understanding is simply not the same thing as agreement.  I actually do have a significant disagreement with my partner about how a couple of things in our lives should be handled.   We’ve talked about it, and there have been boundaries that he’s okay with agreeing with and I’m okay with accepting.   The difference comes from a fundamental difference in our characters and values.   The reason it’s not a source of conflict2, is because we both understand that it’s okay for us to have this difference of opinion.  When I brought up the concern, my partner most certainly did listen.  Then explained his point of view.    We thought about it awhile, and what we really fundamentally wanted out of the situation.  When we both were able to get to the heart of what we wanted, we were able to see a clear set of boundaries that did respect both opinions.   Of course that doesn’t always happen.  I could see a “no deal” situation occurring.  With good boundaries, sometimes you have to accept this is going to happen.

When it’s working you’ll feel free to speak up about what you want and what you don’t want.  You’ll be willing to say yes to things and you’ll be willing to say no to others without playing a mental chess game before you’re comfortable speaking for fear of explosions.  You won’t be afraid that if you aren’t accommodating that you’ll lose your love.  On the other hand, you’ll find that there are plenty of things you’re completely happy to say yes to and won’t be pressured.  You probably won’t even notice it because it is working and the human mind tends to focus on solving problems rather than finding what’s working.

When it’s working, there’s going to be some fun from time to time.  Life isn’t all work and analysis and being all focused on seriousness.  When it’s working you and your partners will play from time to time.  I’m not just talking about sex here, though yeah, sex is great.  Is your pack of Munchkin cards gathering dust?  When’s the last time you ran around the yard with a set of water balloons and your loved ones or rolled down a grassy hill?

When it’s working, you might not even be thinking too much about it, because it is working and you’ve got other things on your mind than worrying about something that’s delightful!


1YOU work on it YOURSELF. This is not someone else’s problem. Hang it on someone else and Mama Java’s gonna give you a stern look over her glasses.

2Disagreement and conflict aren’t the same thing, either.

Hail, O Caffeinated one!

Dear Goddess – here’s my situation:

My husband and I have been together for four years, and married for two. He knew I was poly from the get-go, and while he has never yet expressed an interest in another woman, I’m obviously not opposed to the idea.

‘Tain’t as obvious as all that, I can tell you, as plenty of people only want it one way! Glad you’re reasonable about that.

We have been functionally monogamous since meeting, mostly because I have not sought outside partners. It’s not my style to “need” several lovers, but sometimes people enter your life and do quirky things to your insides.. You know? The Husband has always been verbally supportive of my freedom to see other people, with boundaries agreeable to both of us. I have had occasion to test this very recently, as I’ve fallen in love with his best friend.

My husband could not be more supportive or awesome about the entire situation. His genuine, open displays of compersion are something I have never before witnessed in a person who identifies as mono. I am a lucky, lucky girl.

So here’s my problem – I’m not sure The Best Friend is ok with this. And specifically, because I’m “the buddy’s wife.” The Best Friend is a bachelor, currently seeking a lover, and has some neglect/abandonment issues he’s working through – like a champ. I know he finds me physically and intellectually attractive because boys are transparent (or, well.. this one is). I am currently on a month long humanitarian mission to the middle of a war zone, and thought – f*ck it. Before I leave I’ll come clean and tell him how I feel. Hey, that’s kind of romantic, right? I could get blown up. And he’ll have some time to think.

The Best Friend’s response was very black-and-white – “I make it a rule never to get involved with my friends’ partners.” Ok… well… Husband says it’s ok? For real? No sale. I probably kind of freaked him out and broke his brain a little. I expected this.

Well, looks like your problem is solved. He said no. That’s it. You’re done. You struck out. Welcome to being human.

So, I’ve been in my Warzone for a couple weeks now. I’ve gotten no replies from my emails to Best Friend, even though he and The Husband are hanging out all the time (which makes me surprisingly jealous!). I still don’t know what to expect when I get home.

Well, you’re not gonna be involved with him, I’ll tell you that much!

I am hesitant to ask The Husband to advocate for me, or ask him to bring the matter up with The Best Friend. I don’t want to do anything that would jeopardize their relationship they share, because they clearly love each other (in a totally heterosexual and manly way). At the same time, I’m not sure if I’m ready to be “just friends” with the Best Friend, if that’s what it’s going to come down to. And he’s at my house a lot. Avoiding him seems like a high school move, and I don’t want to just withdraw – too many people have done that to him already. However, spending time with the both of them, without the ability to be freely affectionate to them both (and my husband and I are very demonstrative) is not something that sounds like fun to me. It would be nice to get more 1:1 time with the Best Friend, it would be nice to go on actual dates… not sure if that is a possibility, and that makes me sad, half a world away.

Ummmm…

He said no.

No dates. No one on one time. He said no.  That means it’s done.  No begging.  No trying to convince him otherwise.  If he changes his mind, he has to approach you to tell you so.  If he doesn’t, that’s up to him.  It’s your job to shut up now, be a big girl and treat him graciously when he’s a guest in your home.  That’s it.  Yes, even if it’s clear he’s attracted.  If you care an iota about him, you are not going to try to get him to go against his stated boundaries.

Two weeks more in country, Goddess. Tell me something that will ease my mind.

Thanks, and peace be unto brew.

Being shot down flippin’ sucks.  I don’t like it, either.  But if you respect the other person, you accept it and leave it alone.   That said, you’re allowed to seek solitude if you don’t wanna hang out as just friends.  That’s not high-schoolish.  Being gracious is one thing, but you’re allowed not to torture yourself, too.  You can have some sort of, “Hi, ya’ll have fun with the video games.  I have a big project I’m finishing up, so I’ll be in the other room.  Nice to see you, dewd.”  Since the fellow is your husband’s friend, it’s not even impolite not to hang out with him if he’s come to visit your husband.

Do keep in mind there’s something like 6 billion people in the world.  You met one who said no…

Dear Goddess: I have a couple of questions about navigating my poly relationship and I’d love your advice. First, a bit of background. My husband and I began a polyrelationship with one of my best friends about 6 months ago. Working out my jealousy has been truly difficult, but also rewarding since I continue to learn more about my own internal behaviors as a result. Much of my jealousy revolves around my role as the “practical wife” whereas my friend serves as the “fun wife.” Any ideas you have about this would be truly helpful, since I find myself stumbling over it a lot when I watch them carrying on laughing and having fun. I believe I hold myself apart from them to highlight my isolation and then I feel like if I say anything I will become the needy one. Ugh. None of this sounds great, I know. On the other hand, this is the first real relationship with a woman, and I feel like I have no one to crow about it to. My friends who do know aboutall of this seem to think I’ve set myself up for nothing but pain, so I cannot open up about how excited I feel or, good, or even badly since that would only serve to prove them right. Yikes! And help! Anything you say to me would be helpful.

In cultures where a man might have a wife and a mistress, there is the expectation that the wife fulfills the practical roles and the mistress is for fun.  Even in polyamory relationships, it’s not unheard of for one relationship to be about fun and the other about practicality.  I’ve not noticed it consistently working well, and do see resentments occasionally building from it.

Since polyamory is not (in theory) really supposed to be about the wife/mistress paradigm, it’s reasonable that you really don’t want to be the one whose role is mostly duty.  However, if you choose to hold yourself apart, you’re giving a signal that you’re not wanting attention or to participate in the fun activities, and you’re making that choice for yourself.  I know, it can be a pride thing.  You can reframe pride to a point where you’re too proud not to express your wants *grin*.  Honest, it can be done.  Asking to spend time with someone you love isn’t needy.    The patient Griselda act doesn’t work.  In fact, see The Brave Little Toaster for a complete genius of an analysis of this.  *grin* (Speaking of jealousy, I’m mildly jealous that one of the best columns here was not one of mine!  — only a little.  Rainy is a delightful writer)

Part of this is the “new and shiny” syndrome (known in polyamory circle sas NRE or New Relationship Energy).  If you have a habit of going from obsession to obsession, you get absorbed in whatever is new.  I expect that’s part of what is going on with your husband and girlfriend.  However, don’t you have some fun, new and shiny going on with your girlfriend, too?  You stated you’re excited about the relationship.

It’s okay to say, “Look, I don’t want my relationship with you to be solely in terms of practicality and bill-paying.  I love you and want to have fun with you, too.   Can we schedule something?”

It does seem like there is a lot of labelling going on.  “The Fun One”, “The Needy One”.   I won’t say roles are worthless, but don’t get too into that.  Treating people as individuals with individual wants and needs often works out pretty well in relationships in general.

While it would be unrealistic to expect a lot of support from your friends in this if they’re not poly, do yourself a favor.  If you’re getting consistent comments, sit back and analyse them.   They can sometimes have a point.  Sometimes they’re entirely from a monogamy perspective and not all that useful, but sometimes they can be big screeching reality checks.  Try to figure that out.

I have a question for you and I’ll give you a bit of a background on my history with poly in order to help you understand my quandry.

After about 8 or 9 years of marriage my wife met a poly couple, realized she was poly and fell in love with the husband. I have since come to accept this and feel like it is a positive thing except in the sense that it brings me back to feelings I left behind when I got married, such as anxieties about approaching women.

I often find myself attracted to other women but my status as a happily married man is quite public. My being polyamorous is not quite so much. I’m constantly left unsure how to approach talking to someone I’m attracted to. For example, there is a woman I am attracted to currently at work (and I know that makes it more complicated, she and I do not work directly together however and that is not the focus of this question, but feel free to address it also); I am both infatuated and feeling limerence for her, but I also fear what could happen if I addressed this with her. We have both talked about going out to lunch (with bagged lunches) together, but it hasn’t happened yet… Part of this fear is that I don’t want to upset her, I have a strong desire for her to be happy and to do any and everything I can to help foster that for her… however, I’d like to find out if there are any reciprocal feelings.

I am just totally unsure how to address these feelings without looking like I’m an adulterer seeking to have an affair. My wife knows about this woman and has expressed feelings of compersion for me regarding her.  She also sympathizes with my concerns and worries. However, she has never had to seek out such things.  The local poly community is not child-friendly, and hosts gatherings in venues I don’t find comfortable.  Since we have children, this is an issue.

Can you help with this?

Kind Regards,

Sean

Well, Sean, that’s a real issue, it is.  In our culture, it is certain more common for women to be approached and men to be doing the approaching.  If you feel shy, or find it difficult to talk to women, yes, you’re going to be having problems.

I don’t know how liberal your company is, but unless you’re dealing with one that is liberal to the point of being a Northeastern college, I can’t help but caution you as a poly man not to date someone at the same company.  I know this sucks, but if you can envision one way of it going wrong for you, there are probably six or seven more.

You did mention your town, and you’re right that there is an active local poly community and an email list for organization and communication.  The problem is that its “culture” may not suit your needs. You do live in an urban enough area that I’d encourage you to try another way of approaching it.  Since the local poly culture doesn’t seem to have many child-friendly gatherings, there is a perfect solution you can give your local poly community.  Start hosting them.   Even child-free twenty-somethings often enjoy barbecues in the back yard!

No-one likes to bear all the burden of hosting gatherings or being the only one responsible for social interaction, so if you’re offering to go a little ways in being a participant, it can be welcome.   You can approach it gracefully, “Hey, the strong smell of coffee is a migraine trigger for me, so I can’t come to the coffee house gatherings.  But I really would like to hang out and get to know you guys.  How would it be if I hosted a poly potluck?”

Successful poly is often about making sure that everyone’s needs are met, and this is a non-romantic example of skills you’ll be using in your poly life anyway.

Yeah, I suppose if you’re having trouble approaching people that this will seem to be intimidating.  But look at it another way:  this sort of thing will just be great practice for learning how to meet people.  Women are not some kind of separate species that needs somehow to be treated differently than the rest of humanity.  Learning how to be relaxed approaching, meeting and talking to humans will be a great help to your problem.

I was recently asked if I’d consent to an interview, but the questions were pretty good and basic, so I’m posting them here:

1. What are common misconceptions you have found with polyamory?

Probably the most common is that partners are disposable or interchangeable on some level.  The culture that surrounds the monogamy paradigm also has a subtext of One True Love.  We see it in movies, books and what have you all the time.  In this context, if you’re going to have more than one partner, those partners aren’t quite as valuable.

The thing is, people are unique individuals.   Your individual relationship with any human being is unique just by virtue of that fact.

Besides which, polyamory or not, seeing a human being as disposable or a commodity is just nasty.

2. What do you gain from this lifestyle?1

I’m not poly because I necessarily hope to gain anything.  I’m poly because the logic I’m usually given behind reasons for sexual exclusivity don’t scan for me.  I don’t have a religion, so the religious reasons don’t make sense, I don’t believe in One True Love, so that reason makes no sense.  As far as sex itself?  I believe that sex is moral or immoral by the same standards that any other act is.  For the life of me, I cannot separate that particular activity off as being somehow “different” than any other human activity.  In that context, sexual exclusivity makes no sense.

I feel no particular responsibility to run out and have bunches of relationships to hold up the side, mind.  Relationships take time and energy, and I like to have time to write, knit, swim and lift weights, too!

3. Whats the main differences between swinging and polyamory?

One activity gives a certain subset of the polyamory community an opportunity to feel smug and self-righteous!

Sorry, my snark-o-matic was left on last night.  Seriously, the usual answer given is something along the lines of, “Swinging is about sex and poly is about relationships.”  I don’t agree with that, entirely.  It is my opinion that this debate is usually engaged in by people who feel guilty about having more than one sexual relationship and need some context where it’s okay somehow.   It reminds me of the girls in my high school who would sneer at other girls having sex, but were okay with doing it themselves because they were “Really in love.”

4. Are there any other resources that you would recommend?

My blogroll and recommended reading  have most of what I’d say are good.   Believe it or not, the best books on relationships are usually about business relationships.

5. What do you want people to know most about polyamory?

Keep it about love.  I’m not very fluffy, and Ceiling Cat knows I’m a bit on the stern side, but if it ain’t about love, you’re probably doing it wrong.


1I’m answering this as an individual because there’s just no way in the world to answer it for the whole polyamory community. I can think of a dozen answers other people might give, and maybe can work that into a column. But I wanted to give my own here.

Mama Java is off visiting, so Cinema Babe has generously consented to fill in with this column.


It All Begins With A Personal Ad

Hi, we’re Dot and Jim, a friendly, stable, professional couple who would like to meet a vivacious, unattached bi woman. Dot is 36 and bi, Jim is 43 and straight and we want to develop the kind of loving, committed relationship that only three people can share. We’re not interested in a fling but in growing a deeply emotional, closed triad with the right single bi woman.  She should be attractive, open minded and flexible”

“Our pictures here are recent; we are attractive and have a youthful outlook on life. (Having two toddler will do that for you, lol!) While we’re not obsessive, we do exercise regularly and generally try to take care of ourselves. You should take care of yourself too. Our family and friends are very vanilla so discretion is important to us.”

“Please respond with recent pics. We’re really looking forward to meeting you! Please, absolutely no email from men or couples; we will not respond to them.”

Dot and Jim seem like sincere, nice people but there are some things that they should know and discuss before embarking on the adventure of adding a bi woman to their relationship.

The configuration of a het male/bi female couple looking for a bi woman is a very common scenario. Some poly folks refer to it as Unicorn Hunting because, some people joke, a bisexual woman who would be interested in dating a couple is a mythical creature (a unicorn.) In fact those women are out there but, for some couples, they can be difficult to find.

Food for Thought

The way Dot and Jim worded their ad gives the impression that they want an attractive, youthful woman who will fall in love with both of them at about the same time and remain in love with both of them equally. Readers might even infer from the wording that the woman they are looking for might have to forgo having romantic interests (including a mate separate from their triadic relationship) or a family of her own from their seeking a single woman and not being open to couples.

A lot of people are leery about these kinds of ads because they can become situations where an established couple meets a young woman and end up using her as an experiment in poly, a sexual toy to enhance their bedroom activities and/or unpaid domestic help with little or no consideration for her emotional needs. Some couples are looking for a woman to fit into an ideal as opposed to meeting someone and being open to the possibilities.  In some cases, if the woman doesn’t fit into that ideal, the couple will terminate both relationships.

(Sometimes it is the bi woman who comes into these situations with unrealistic expectations or less than sterling intentions. For the sake of our conversation today, I’m focusing on couples.)

Some Questions to Consider

There are some things Dot and Jim will want to consider when they sit down to craft their profile; some serious questions to consider.

Think about how long it takes for most of us, to find someone(s) who we feel mated to. At 36 and 43, it’s a safe bet that Dot and Jim had their share of broken hearts and connections that fizzled in a couple of months. Most of us have a fistful of starts that end in a dead end instead of in a long term partnership. It can be hard enough to meet one person and make a mutual love match, imagine finding someone who develops that kind of chemistry with both of you at the same time. It can and does happen but it is not necessarily an easy thing to find.

When you have a triad, remember, there are now four relationship involved: Dot and Jim, Dot and the GF, Jim and the GF and Dot, Jim and the GF. All four of require attention and care and all four will wax and wane in the feelings and level of commitment over time.

Before they add that special bi woman to their heart (and possibly home), a couple needs to ask themselves the following:

  1. Do the two of you come as a package deal or are you willing to date and develop relationships independently of each other?  If you are attached to only dating as a couple, why?
  2. What happens if you meet a woman both of you are interested in but a romantic attachment develops between her and only one of you?
  3. Let’s say you find your elusive bi female and the three of you easily fall into the triad of your (collective) dreams. If your mutual girlfriend falls in love with someone else who *is not* interested in a relationship with one or both of you what will happen? What if that new person is open to exploring a relationship with one or both of you?
  4. What happens if the person your unicorn falls in love with is another man? She is now part of a couple. Does that mean that your relationship(s) with her is over?
  5. What happens if, after some time together, one of your relationship ends but the other relationship remains strong? Does that mean that both of you have to break up with her even though one of your relationships is in good shape?
  6. Why no couples?  Would you be open to being involved with a woman who is already part of a couple? If no, why not?   Why no men? If the female of your couple is bi, even if she identifies as primarily lesbian, she fell in love with a man once, why can’t it happen again?

Identifying what you want and jumping in with both feet to get it can be an admirable thing. When hearts are at stake, it’s important to jump with care and understanding. I wish the Dot and Jims out there much luck and hope that some of what I discussed will be fodder for thought and discussion on your way to poly nirvana.

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CinemaBabe is a 40something single poly woman who lives in a The Garden State and loves it. A full time professional and part time grad student, she’s looking for her own unicorn. Any 30somethingish geeky bi boys should feel free to check her out on OK Cupid. Just sayin’.

And yes, she’s forgotten more about movies that the average movie goer ever knew. And she has almost 300 items on her NetFlix list.

In studying the alternative lifestyles and communities of the US in the past 200-odd years, there has been an attempt to judge whether or not these communities are good.   That’s fine in the context of a rigid social system or system of morality against which it present a background or framework.

Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your point of view, the United States of 2009 simply doesn’t have a single, unified code by which to judge the goodness or badness of a lifestyle.  Oh, we agree that child molestation is wrong and revile the more excessive behaviors of a Warren Jeffs of the FLDS church, or a David Koresh.   But for things less extreme than rape and murder, the line between “good” and “bad” becomes far more fuzzy.

Social traditionalists might bemoan the fuzzy line, cry “declining family values” or even “lack of faith in God”.   This is a difficult point of view for a thoughtful student of social history to take seriously.  Even as recently as the 1950s, the Leave it to Beaver snapshot of a household wasn’t exactly the real world that people were living.  The author’s own grandfather worked three jobs during that time-period to support a family of six, and when the children were in school, his wife also went to work to be able to pay the expanded expenses of a household with four pre-teen and teenagers.

If people can idealize and romanticize times they actually lived through, how much easier it is to romanticize times of more than a century ago.   We remember the family solidarity of Little House on the Prairie, but fail to internalize the desperate poverty of a family that could only afford two dresses for each child, that counted on fish from a creek three times a day to get through a summer, and a rearing that caused one of the children to feel she must go to work to pay her parents back for the expense of rearing her.

In the face of this romanticism, it is easy to cry “Traditional Family Values!” when confronted with a new problem of living such as Polyamory.  However, that sort of answer, when faced with the realities of our changing society and its mores is worse than useless, as Traditional Family Values hearken back to an age that never actually existed.  If it didn’t exist and work then, how could it be possible to make it exist and work now?

Polyamory is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary thus:

The fact of having simultaneous close emotional relationships with two or more other individuals, viewed as an alternative to monogamy, esp. in regard to matters of sexual fidelity; the custom or practice of engaging in multiple sexual relationships with the knowledge and consent of all partners concerned.

This definition isn’t entirely accepted by everyone in the polyamory community, but as a writer in the polyamory community herself, the author personally considers it good enough to be going on with.

Polyamory, then, can just be considered an open alternative to sexual exclusivity.  This is practiced in many ways by different people.   Many married couples who are polyamorous might have their marriage, household, dog, kids and white picket fence, but also engage in romantic/sexual relationships outside of the marriage relationships.  Others take it in a different direction – eschewing pair bonding and forming non-formal relationships.   Yet others form group marriage.  This relationship is often called a PolyFamily, and is probably the least common form of polyamorous relationship practiced.

So, does it work?

One could answer “yes and no”, but it would hardly be conclusive.  Sometimes not.  Margaret Hollenbach (Hollenbach)  did not find her life in the Family in New Mexico very workable.   Hollenbach had to be just about the classical “hippie”.  College kid, white, from a relatively well-to-do background though with divorced parents – somewhat less common in the late 1960s and early 1970s than now.  She joined the Family in Taos, New Mexico and found that the lifestyle and therapy sessions[1] reminiscent of the brainwashing techniques used by the Chinese government (Hollenbach 166).  She also comments that her own experience did not include coercion in the classical sense.  One was free to get up and walk away and there were no physical attempts at restraint.

However, one of the serious problems with any long-term live-in relationship that may or may not be workable is the fact that while one might not be physically restrained from leaving if it becomes unpleasant, unworkable or difficult, there are matters of social isolation, inertia and the simple financial ties anyone has in a household that one must contend with.   Historically, some communes, in a deep desire not to be coercive when it came to group membership have had a way to pay out members that wished to leave so that they would not feel financially tied to a group that they did not want to be with.  The Shakers would allow a member who left to take any property that he had brought with him upon joining away, or give a monetary allowance to those who joined empty-handed.   Few modern communes, poly or otherwise, have had such a forward-thinking view.

There is also the social isolation.  If one lives in a group where the internal culture is “different”, there is an increased tendency towards Groupthink.  Groupthink is generally characterized by premature concurrence seeking – high conformity pressures, self-censorship of dissenting ideas, mindguards and the maintenance of the image of unanimity (Forsyth 370).  The ideals of marriage say that the happy, effective couple presents a united front.  However good or bad this idea is, it becomes problematic in a group marriage situation.

At first, it might not seem so. That united front can be useful.  Imagine being a car salesman and negotiating a loan among four people who can play off of each other and come together with the precision of watch gears while you have to answer each and every one of them all by yourself[2].  To be a member of such an effective team can be pretty heady.

But there’s a dark side.  That groupthink?  It’s very real.  In the interests of the unified front, one can suppress one’s own dissenting opinions, find oneself weary of discussion and abdicate opinion in the interests of quiet.  This is an example of something that doesn’t work for long.

The social isolation is often a problem as well.  If one lives in a group marriage or other alternative relationship, one often finds that the internal frame of reference of the group is the one that’s turned to for a “reality check”.  Choosing the left-hand path means that one occasional faces outside disapproval.  The “us against them” view that one can develop within such a context, while entirely human and natural,[3] can be counter-productive for the individual health of individual members of a group.

In observing group relationships that work out well, a primary characteristic of any of them seems to hinge around personal privacy and, oddly enough, a high value placed on individuality.  “The two (or three or four) shall become one” does not wear well in a polyamorous situation.  The relationship and personal dynamic must be very different for it to work.

The Oneida Community had an inkling of this when it built its group home.  Each adult member had his own small room.  While they professed to value the group over anything, and diaries of the time talk of struggles with selfishness (Herrick 62), there was an understanding that a certain level of personal privacy and personal choice are very necessary to the happiness of a person within a group.  Within the Oneida Community, there were people with varying interests and these interests were encouraged.  Children were sent off to school away from the O.C., people often made trips to visit the “Outside”, as they called it, and there was a tacit understanding that one would choose for oneself how much to participate in the “social life[4]” of the Community.  While it ultimately dissolved, keep in mind that the Oneida Community lasted for thirty years – a Methuselah among communes.

Modern marriage counselors now talk about this more and more often.  In modern mental health literature, there is a strong theme of taking responsibility for one’s own needs instead of depending on another to meet them.  This isn’t to say that we must blow off others’ needs and desires, nor that we have no responsibility to the people with whom we’ve formed relationships.

Each human being has freedom of choice over his or her own actions; all of us are accountable for our choices and their consequences.  No other person can be responsible for the feelings that result from our choices, be they happy or sad. (Paul and Paul 212).

Recognition of this individual responsibility seems to be the key to happy interpersonal relationships of all sorts.  While it might seem that it means that one could callously assert that if someone else is unhappy in the face of what’s going on that it’s his own problem, that extreme isn’t quite the way accepting personal responsibility for one’s own feelings and actions work.   While it’s impossible actually to be responsible for another’s feelings, it’s also impossible to have a good relationship without caring about the other’s feelings as well.  It’s an important balance.

Also required for good balance is the “what’s in it for me?” factor.  There has to be some incentive for people to devote time/energy/money to almost anything, and they have to feel like they’re getting a good trade out of it.  A housewife, putting in long hours to create a beautiful and comfortable home, might be compensated by a spouse with more free time to earn a higher salary.  That spouse might be glad to have a well-run home and be relieved of housekeeping responsibilities.  While a very “traditional” view, it’s one that works out in practice as well[5].   In communal situations larger than a family, a credit system where work means something tangible tends to work out better than an “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” situation.  The founder of Twin Oaks in Louisa, VA commented, “Nowadays, I think you need some personal incentive to put out your best in the work scene.” (Kuhlmann 126)

The poly families that work out the best do seem to be families where there is a high regard for individualism and privacy, as well as a strong vested interest in each member of the group finding the relationship a fulfilling, perhaps even profitable, one.


Works Cited

Forsyth, Donelson R. Group Dynamics. Belmont: Wadsworth, 2005.

Herrick, Tirzah Miller. Desire and Duty at Oneida : Tirzah Miller’s Intimate Memoir. Ed. Robert S. Fogarty. New York: Indiana University Press, 2000.

Hollenbach, Margarget. Lost and Found : My Life in a Group Marriage Commune. New York: University of New Mexico Press, 2004.

Kuhlmann, Hilke. Living Walden Two : B. F. Skinner’s Behaviorist Utopia and Experimental Communities. New York: Univeristy of Illinois Press, 2005.

Paul, Jordan and Margaret Paul. Do I Have to Give up Me to Be Loved by You? Grand Rapids: Hazelden & Educational Services, 2002.


[1] They used a form of Gestalt therapy as a means of social cohesion.

[2] This actually happened in my own quad.  One of the former members still owns and drives that car!

[3] There are few things better for group cohesion than a common “enemy”, as history has proven more than once.

[4] The expression “social life” in the Oneida Community was a euphemism for sexual relationships.

[5] When I worked full time, while I did do housework at home, having a housewife there for primary childcare duties was a great boon to my ability to focus on my job!

Okay, either you’re single or you’ve got your primary relationship solid.  You’re centered in loving each other, you’re communicating great.  Now, you’d like to meet poly people and form some more fantastic relationships.

SCREECH!

How?

That’s going to depend on a lot of things.   Where you do you live?  Off the top of my head, if you live in Portland, San Francisco, Seattle, Boston, Los Angeles, or Tampa, you’re in luck.  All of these places have well-established polyamory communities, and I can vouch at least one or two of  the people in each city are moderately sane and have been poly long enough to have grown a grain of sense 1.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t live in any of those cities.   In fact, I live in a little town that has considerably fewer than 15,000 people.    Believe it or not, one can still meet poly people in such circumstances. I can, do and have.

The Internet is a big boon here.  Sure, there are dating sites.  I’m not even going to discourage them.  OkCupid and PolyMatchmaker are both poly friendly and in the interests of disclosure, I’ve met someone on a dating site before. It worked out nicely.

Even so, don’t be so damn goal-oriented all the bloody time!  I understand being goal oriented.  You want to try this new and wonderful lifestyle, and let’s be frank, some hot sex would be just awfully cool.  Not running it down.  Sex is great.  New partners are all kinds of shiny and relationships are fun, goodness knows.

But, mostly you’re not going to find good relationships playing the numbers game on poly online boards with a relationship scattershot.   You’ll probably get laid with this strategy, but if that’s mostly what you’re looking for, a sex club might be better.  Again, not running that down!   I’m not of the “Swinger is superior to poly” school of thought by any means.  I am concerned with making sure you know what you’re looking for. If you’re looking for sex, yeah, a sex club is a dandy idea.  Go for it, enjoy.

If you’re looking for relationships, then you’re looking for things in addition to the sex.  That means you’re looking, I hope, for people to do stuff with.   I think what really works better in the long run is the most banal and obvious advice you’ll ever hear.  Go outside and make friends.  Oh sure, use the Internet as a tool to meet people of similar interests!  But after that, go out to lunch with people, host parties, go to parties, organize discussions groups, get involved with stuff you like to do.  Yeah, you’ll have to take some initiative and get your butt away from the computer and facing the scawwy outside, but trust me, it can be fun!

Yahoogroups has many local polyamory discussion groups where people meet up in real life.  Meetup is another option.  If no local poly group exists in your area, you might want to consider starting one.  There are a lot of groups and resources that exist today because someone was looking for one, but didn’t find anything.

In addition to this, if you’re going to go to online discussion groups to look for partners, be careful.  Many of them are communities  where people know each other, share expereinces and hang out (virtually and otherwise).  Going in and announcing who you are and what sort of partner(s) you’re looking for would be about as well-received and effective as going to a neighborhood party and doing the same thing in meatspace.  You’ll look uncouth and probably are not going to find what you’re looking for.   A good way to find out the timbre of a group is to read through the archieve for awhile if the group has them or to lurk for a week or two to see what you’re dealing with.

But, when it comes down to it, the way to find partners is to meet people.  So, quit reading this and go meet people!

Be good until next week,

Mama Java


1 And in most cases, saner than me, too.

I’m a big fan of the online strip Questionable Content.

One of the more recent strips has a couple of characters have a discussion about sex and relationships that I found interesting.

For those poor souls who have not yet had the opportunity to become fans, the two characters are friends with benefits.  The male… well, he sleeps around a lot but has never made any real bones about it to the female character.  For the record, yes, Sven is a big jerk if he isn’t up front before he gets involved about his desires and his expectations.  He’s always been clear with Faye.

But I wanna focus on Faye a minute.  She wants something — to know that she’s the only one Sven is gonna be sleeping with.  Does anyone think this is a good way to go about it?  Even though (in the context of the story), Faye saying, “I’d like us to be exclusive even if it’s not ’serious,’” would be about as likely to get a “Yes” as Dick Cheney would be likely to apologize for lying to the citizens of the US about weapons of mass destruction Iraq, she’s still allowed to ask for what she wants.

She’s also allowed to set boundaries.  It would even be okay to say, “I’m comfortable sleeping with you as friends, but if and when you have another partner, I’m not going to want to sleep with you any more.”  It wouldn’t be attempting to tell Sven what he could or couldn’t do, but would be setting a boundary that’s important to her.  In fact, it’s relevant information that might effect Sven’s choices.

Obviously, neither of these characters are great at communication.  Learn from their bad example!

This week’s column is a guest piece by Edward Martin, III.

How do I “break the news” I’m poly?

This question rolls around a lot, especially on boards and meetings where there’s a lot of new folks, or folks that have just started dating, or aliens that have only recently arrived on Earth and haven’t quite figured out exactly how humans interact.

Maybe there’s a fourth category.

The basic question is this: “Gee, I’m poly and I’ve met this great person and want to ask them out on a date or two, but I’m not sure about the how and when of revealing that I’m poly. What should I do?”

A necessary digression:

First of all, note that this question – like so many other questions – never has to be asked more than once. Once you have an answer that works, you can pretty much use the same technique for everybody. If the answer you’ve been offered or that you’ve come up with can’t be used for practically all instances, you’ve probably just come up with an answer that’s not viable (my preference is solving General Equations, because I don’t like to do a lot of work – it’s like learning how to do addition, instead of memorizing all possible answers to all possible addition problems).

Second — and this is really important if you hate being redundant and doing redundant work over and over and over and over — is that you, personally, don’t have to come up with a solution. It’s true! Ever watch someone suffer horrible burns on their hands by grabbing a red hot stove element, and then wondering if maybe your Magical Powers will protect you if you grab the same element? No, because any idiot can see that a red-hot stove element will make you scream like a little girl if you touch it, and learning that lesson indirectly is tremendously better than learning it first-hand. (my sympathies to the people who burned their hands, but thank you for teaching me that danger!) Okay, where were we? Right – coming out to potential partners/lovers.

There are two ways of going about this. Follow along all the way to the end, though, because the two ways are very different from each other.

The first way is easy: They’ll figure it out. They’ll figure it out because they’ve hung around you, or hung around your friends. They’ll see you have at least one partner, probably more, and that everyone’s communicative, comfortable, and cool. Maybe they’ll see the family pictures on the wall*, or how the kids kiss four parents goodnight. They’ll see it at parties, or see it during dinner, or other social events. They’ve already been introduced to everybody, and have all the first names down.

The only big “reveal” here is of the potential interest (which, frankly, is obvious by this time).

Now, surely, there will be some folks who claim this is a sort of “time-traveling” solution, that you would have to go backwards in time to arrange for all of this before you belly up to the bar with your Special Digital Effect hanging out. What they call “time-traveling” I call “planning ahead.” Planning ahead takes very little breaking of the laws of physics. You just put things in the right order from the get-go. The “reveal” shouldn’t involve any sort of huge problem, if it’s placed near the end of the sequence. There’s the cart and there’s the horse. Hook them up in the right order and you find that you have lots more problem-solving brains left over for those really tough Sudoku challenges, and learning Cantonese.

“Planning ahead” is one of those things that separates adults from children, and humans from animals. You want to target “adult human,” in your brain so plan ahead. A mistake might happen, but there’s no reason for it to happen more than once (preferably, it happens to someone else where you can observe and learn).
Speaking of horses and carts, that brings me to the second way.

The second way is even easier: Don’t bother, because it’s not a high priority item for you. If it were important to you and the other person, if you wanted a Deep Meaningful Relationship With a Partner, then you would have put your horse and cart in the appropriate order. See “The First Way.” Enjoy the hot monkey sex and if it becomes an issue, then be casual and mature about it. It takes two (or more) to tango, and if none of the involved parties bothered asking, then it’s safe to assume that – should you want things to Go A Little Further – it’s just not a dealbreaker, high-priority kind of item.

Note that this is all reciprocal, by the way. If you’re being romanced by someone and they prioritize introducing you to the family and their social structure, then chances are pretty good this is what they consider important. If they instead prioritize tiling the floor with clothing, and you’re cool with that, then remember that if other issues come up later.

There is a third way, which involves only dating people who have already been clearly identified as poly, and of course, you can do that, but sometimes it just seems so incestuous. Besides, if you’re going to a priori limit your pool, you just might miss out on something really exciting. Good or bad, I suppose.

* this is how people who may appear to be single can reveal they’re poly, as well as provide an excellent example of how well they might speak of their exes. We don’t have to talk much about people who are single because of how venomous they are about their exes and soon-to-be-exes, naturally, because that’s one of those “duh” moments.

** Now, for those really rare birds that have no past, and make no conversation where they can slide in the fact that they are not sexually restrictive, their best bet is to assume nobody in their right mind would subscribe to a restrictive sexuality and act accordingly, which would probably (assuming they were acting in a mature fashion) include asking after other people their intended may be dating. If that dosn’t open the conversation up in the right direction, you might as well start rolling percentile dice.

I Have Something to Tell You © 2008, Edward Martin, III

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Edward Martin III’s a writer and filmmaker living in the Pacific Northwest. Other essays and reflections of his can be found at http://www.petting-zoo.org/NonFiction.html and his movies can be found at http://www.guerrilla-productions.org/ he also does these animations: http://www.petting-zoo.org/Hardcore.html

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