Bouncing the Reality Check

I’m in a primary poly relationship and a few secondary ones. On the whole things are great and the world is wonderful.

One of my newer partners has a primary and poly family of his own. They are a great bunch of people. We’ve been taking things slow and recently both cleared our STI screening tests, so technically we are ready to have sex when we want it.

But I’m holding back. Something doesn’t feel quite right to me. He’s not very affectionate towards me, so I asked him for more of that and the last time I saw him he was indeed more affectionate when we were alone. But when we are round my partners or his, he’s totally cold. He said he worries about annoying someone, but I hope this will get easier with time.

Then there is the issue of contact. I tend to message my partners a lot, just organising meetups and so on, because I love them. Until I notice that I am the only one initiating with him, and when I do hear from him first it is just to arrange playtime and tell me about what kinky sex he’d love to try, which makes my skin crawl.

So I’m holding strong and not messaging him, to see how long it takes him, and what he does say when he messages me. If he only ever messages me for sex, he’s not going to get it -ever. I want more than just sex with him and he damn well knows it. I need affection and vanilla things with him and we’ve agreed to do this.

I guess I have two questions here after all. One is how much contact do you like or think is reasonable to have with secondary partners? And would you have sex with someone if they only seemed to message you about sex or play?

It does look like you’ve already decided how to handle your potential, and that’s good. I mean, it’s good you’ve made a decision – not passing judgment on it. It does sound like your basic desires in a relationship don’t mesh, and you know it. Hey, it happens. Fortunately, there are 7 billion people in the world, so there’s no need for the two of your to make each other miserable when you can each have relationships that actually make you happy.

How often is reasonable to contact partners? I can’t give you a sensible answer to that. It really, really depends on the relationship. I have a partner I’ve been involved with for almost five years and we don’t contact each other every day. We’re fine with that. I’ve also had partners that I chatted with online most of the day off and on. What is reasonable is what works between partners. Honest to goodness, if I had a partner declare it was reasonable to get a text at least three times a week because some opinionated bigmouth with a blog said it was, not only would I be dubious, I’d be disinclined to agree just out of contrariness. If the person asked for at least three texts a week because they liked that level of contact and it made them happy, I’d probably make a note to make sure I tried to do that. If they asked for three or four a day, I’d have to explain it conflicted with other things I needed to do and go from there to see what accommodation we could reach. But that’s me, my schedule and what I’m up to. You are almost certainly different. As long as you and your partner reach an accommodation that make you both happy, certainly a stranger’s tastes don’t enter into it.

As far as having sex with someone who only contacted me about sex, if all I wanted with him was sex, that’d be fine. If it wasn’t, well, no. Since interesting conversation tends to be a bit of a kink of mine, no, just sex isn’t generally what I’m looking for. I think that’s a taste thing rather than anything else –certainly no moral judgment. I think a sex for sex’ sake relationship has its merits if that’s what makes the people involved happy.

I wish I could be more concrete with you, as I get the impression what you really want is a reality check about whether or not you want too much time from a partner. It’s not the wanting, though, that’s reasonable or unreasonable. It’s a lot more to do with how you ask for what you want, and how you behave when you get your answer – be it yes or no. That’s where reasonable (or at least mature) comes in or not. You’re allowed to want things. You’re allowed to ask for them. You’re allowed to ask for things that are a big deal and you’re allowed to ask for things that are not. Certainly you’re allowed to have things that are a relationship requirement for you. It’s just that, if you don’t get them, it’s pretty important to be able to walk away with a “no harm, no foul” attitude, or even consider how important that want really is to you. Sometimes it does boil down to whether or not you want X quality or is that you want to be close to Y person.

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One Poly Opera

Hello and thank you for taking the time to read this. It may be quite lengthy, so brace yourself! I am definitely in need of some goddess intervention tho…

(Yes, the letter is long.  I’ve edited for length here)

I have been in a polyamorous relationship for a year and a half now, and, let me tell you, it has been the most wonderfully terrible situation in my life. When I was younger (I’m 22 now), I never dated much and if I had an interest it was nothing serious. However halfway through college I met the man of my dreams and my soul mate; a 26 year old married man. I know it sounds cheesy, but the first time we locked eyes, I knew I felt something for him, more strongly than I was accustomed to. He has told me many times he had felt the exact same way and that he never felt that way about anyone before.

“Soul mate”… “I’ve never felt this way before…”

Won’t say I’ve never used these phrases before.  I have.  And the fallout from them was such that I’m inherently suspicious of their use.  They’re generally more indicative of hormonal carbonation (which is quite the entertaining emotional roller coaster ride) than they are of anything of substance upon which one can build a serious relationship.  When you start thinking down these lines, be afraid.  Be very afraid.

A lot of what you have here is inexperience.  You’re confusing hormonal carbonation with love.  This is understandable.  Our whole society is set up that way, from Cinderella to The Princess Bride.  Do yourself a favor and don’t take relationship advice from Hollywood or fairy tales.

Sure, hormonal carbonation is fun.  It’s meant to be as a species survival thing.  This is probably your body tricking you into getting pregnant by a good gene match, not a good relationship match. (Jesus, I hope that isn’t planting an idea seed, cause if you think it’s bad now…)

There was a bit of a miscommunication at the beginning though. He mentioned him being married very soon after I started to get to know him but also said that his wife was gay, they married very young for convenience reasons, and that they wanted to be with a woman. I, being very open minded and having a gay best friend myself who I always thought I would marry, thought this couldn’t have been more perfect for me. I thought it was the same situation. After that, he didn’t mention much of his wife, we continued our blossoming relationship, and I thought things were going great.

Then about a month into our relationship, I finally met his wife. She seemed like a nice person and all, but it hit me that she wasn’t just gay, but bi and actually had a romantic relationship with Boyfriend. Since I was at their place for the first time and felt a little awkward about everything, we didn’t really discuss the relationship at all. We just hung out as friends and I had a nice time. But I realized that they were actually a couple and wanted to both be with me, even though I thought Boyfriend wanted to be with just me due to how it was only me and him everyday since the start for over a month. He even properly asked me to be his girlfriend and, of course, I accepted. If past me would’ve known what future me knows now, I would’ve screamed “RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN!”.

Miscommunication?  Miscommunication?  No! No! No!  The dewd lied to you about his relationship, he implied that he was uninvolved enough to devote lots of time to you, mostly,  ANNDDD to put a cherry on top of the stupidity sundae, you absolutely ignored what was right in front of you because he had you good and hooked.

So here I am, stuck with a very tough decision. I already am totally smitten with the guy and he to me. And at the beginning I tried. I tried so hard to want what him and his wife wanted. I tried to fit that perfect puzzle piece in their lives. But truth be told, it was a growing process for me. He was my first serious relationship ever. I was like a deer in the headlights trying to accommodate everyone and not hurt anyone’s feelings. I tried to want her, but it was hard because I very rarely saw her. Now about 3 months into the relationship I finally said I couldn’t be with both of them. I really, truly, deep within my heart had no intention of leading them on with hopes of us all being together. I was just finding myself through the relationship unfortunately. I found that I just wasn’t romantically interested in his wife at all and I just loved him.

He lied to you to fuck you.

He lied to you to fuck you.

He lied to you to fuck you.

I hope like hell that doesn’t feel okay. Love him or not, is this a good relationship choice?  You can love people that might be bad relationship choices.  You can even choose not to have a relationship with someone for whom you have strong feelings because it would be a bad choice and not invalidate those feelings.

This crushed them and started the tears, heartache, drama and downward spiral. They still, to this day, think I’m the bad guy. We have gotten into so many viciously savage arguments. We still do. And I’m getting so tired of this. I love him and I know he loves me too. Very much. But I have severe jealousy of his wife now. So much so that I’m losing my charm, my sanity and the person that Boyfriend fell in love with in the first place. She just has the life I want with him. It doesn’t mean that I don’t care about her, because I do. A lot. I’d help her in a flash if she were in trouble. I just….kind of hate her too… Inside me I have so many conflicting emotions that I am starting to feel physically ill and am seriously considering mental help. I just….don’t know what to do. I really do feel that he is my soul mate. We are best friends, art/ceramics partners (our school career choice together), and he admitted that I was his soul mate and wants me to be in his life forever… but he didn’t want to hurt or leave his wife for me. And I don’t want him to leave her either. But that’s what it would take to make me happy with him. He also has a one penis policy so me being with anyone else is out of the question.

Boy, he’s got you tied up good, doesn’t he?  He’s convinced you that you’re “supposed” to care about someone that in reality you see as competition (which isn’t really conducive to a serious poly relationship), you’ve decided to be a “good girl” and force yourself to be friends with her.  And for???

Addiction.  This is not mostly about love. Not really.  It’s addiction.  For whatever reason, this fellow turns your crank.  Maybe he smells right, maybe the sex is about the most amazing sex you’ve ever had, maybe his body just feels good to you.  But I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that love, if it exists at all, is only minorly associated with what you’ve got going on here.

It’s not that I don’t feel for you.  I have as been as dumb as you (and at a far older age!) and I really do understand the pain you’re going through.  From the perspective of having been through that, my real advice is to dump his sorry, lying manipulative ass.  GET AWAY.  Spend a year celibate to get your head on straight, if you need to.  Yes, find a good counselor.  A poly-friendly one would be ideal, but even one that isn’t would probably do you more good than not at this stage.

A good rule of thumb, I’ve found, is to look at your relationship and ask if the “relationship issues” would drive the plot of a chick flick.  If they would, you have a bad relationship.  Conflict and pain are what make movies interesting.  A good relationship might be shown in a movie, but I assure you that a good relationship won’t drive the plot of that movie.  So if the conflict and pain is what makes things interesting, as is certainly the case here, you need to dump his ass.

I haven’t spent a lot of time on his relationship with his wife, and the fact that apparently they’re trying to guilt you into a threesome. What the fuck?  Do you really want a relationship with people so emotionally immature that they think this is okay?

There is no good ending to this one.  Run away.  You’re being treated as a thing, not a person.

*wince*  And you might want to take a good look at yourself.  I don’t know for sure, but it seems to me that you’re kind of commodifying the boyfriend, too.  I don’t see a saint in this little poly opera.  You’re contributing by sticking around.

I’m not saying that leaving isn’t going to hurt.  It will.  I’m not trying to blow that off.  But this sort of pain does end.  You do heal.  Yes, it’s hard.  Yes, it hurts.

But you will come out the other side one day, shake your head and laugh, “What in hell was I thinking?  Why did I do that to myself, and what I can learn?”

Maybe poly will be for you in the future, maybe not.  But right now, I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that this relationship is no good.  It’s not going to get better.  You deserve to be treated as a person, not a commodity to fill the unicorn hole.

Run, run, run.

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Trying to Break Us Up

What to do when a secondary female is trying get the primary male to breakup with the primary female in a polyamorous relationship?

This  was not an Ask the Misanthrope Question, but a search term that appeared to link to this blog. In casting around for a topic upon which to write, I figured this was a good one.

If you do primary/secondary poly (and not all do) there is a time-honored and wonderful response to this.

Not a goddamned thing.

No, don’t look at me like I have three heads. I’m serious on this one. While I really do, no kidding, believe in being proactive, this isn’t in your hands. If your primary wants to stay, s/he’ll stay. If s/he doesn’t, s/he won’t. Simple, simple, easy-peasy. Ultimately, you’re being done a favor, no matter how much it might hurt or suck in the face of it. And yeah, losing a partner hurts and sucks. I’m not trying to blow that off, ’cause, man… Ouch. You can feel like someone’s performing an autopsy on your living body in the process. I get that.

But…

If another person really can break up a relationship between yourself and a love, you need to let it happen. Seriously. Otherwise, you’ve got someone who is only half-heartedly committed or interested. Who wants or needs that crap? You’re only going to be let down, and maybe in a worse way than is facing you.

If the relationship can’t be broken up, then you’ve got some tempered steel there in the relationship that is truly awesome, wonderful and valuable. Try to be worthy of it!

Now, maybe you favor a little more communication than what I’ve advised. You know, communication can be good, too. So, here’s some things you can say:

“I love you and want to stay with you. I am concerned about what’s going on. Do you want to stay with me?”

Ain’t nuttin’ wrong with asking for what you want and saying how you feel. This can take some courage, especially if you’re feeling insecure. But if you’ve got a good relationship with someone who tells you the truth,* you’ll get the truth and will have somewhere to go from there.

“I see <secondary> doing <foo>, <foo1>, and <foo2>. It worries me. What do you think about it?”

You have to be absolutely concrete about behavior here. You might have a “feeling”, but unless there’s behavior to hang it on, discussions about it aren’t going to be very productive. In fact, if there’s nothing concrete to hang it on, your best bet is to observe rather than be reactive. In this instance, once you’ve identified the behavior, you’re still not interpreting it. You’re also showing that you’re open to learning what’s going on. You’ve got a concern, you’re bringing it up and you’re willing to listen to the answer.

But the big takeaway here is that no matter what, if you’re looking for a magic formula to enforce a specific dynamic, it ain’ta gonna happen. If you’re looking for advice on “how to keep your man”, I can’t help you. I don’t even think it’s wise. If he wants to go, let him go. I hope you’re too stinkin’ proud to remain in a relationship with someone who doesn’t want to be there, anyway. Certainly you deserve better.

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* If you have a partner that habitually lies to you, that’s an entirely different problem.

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Where’s the Love?

I have a fundamental flaw that is of course so embedded in my personality, that I cannot recognize it. Maybe you can help.

I fall in love with plain, vanilla women for about a year, sometimes less sometimes much longer. At the end, I find myself searching for someone who is as un-vanilla as I can find. I break up with my vanilla love and then join my kinky friend. Only to long for the love I gave up.

Everyone ends up getting hurt. Yet the pattern repeats. Like the story of falling into the pothole. I would like to not even walk down that street.

I think maybe I am poly and am unable to reach some kind of self-code of action. Is there some kind of test or description that fits poly. And yes, this is my shit and I do own it. But I sure as hell would like to get rid of it.

The first question I’d ask is, “Where’s the love?” No seriously.   I’m not talking about sexual hots here.  Not to run it down (’cause it’s awesome), but I tend to be a bit unromantic when it comes to actual love.  ”I’m gonna dump you for the kinky when vanilla gets too much” doesn’t taste much like love to me.  Yes, yes, it’s not your intention to do such a thing, but you’ve a pattern of doing it, and that does speak of an underlying issue.  Think about what love is to you.  If it’s primarily driven by a perception of emotion, you may be calling something love that isn’t love.   It’s an easy mistake to make.  I think most of us do, especially with the One True Love message we get from books, movies, television, songs, you name it.

Now, to give you the benefit of the doubt, it is possible that your sexual desires and what you do best with in a living day to day situation has some differences.  That’s not too terribly unusual, and plenty of poly people live with it.   However, if you don’t tend to enjoy vanilla sex, for pity’s sake, don’t date vanilla chicks!  There’s not much that’ll trump good partner selection when it comes to any relationship style — poly or otherwise.

Now, maybe you like kinky and vanilla.  Plenty do.  And poly is a good way to deal with that if you have a partner who is all one way or the other.  While I’m not a behavioral expert, I expect it’s not as binary as all that.

Another thing you might want to think about:  Just because you have the hots for someone doesn’t mean you have to have a relationship with them.  That ties into the good partner selection thing.  For example, if you are into someone, but don’t want an LDR, you don’t date someone on the opposite coast no matter how into them you are or how wonderful they are.  Since this four paragraph letter is really all I have to go on, I’m making a leap here in trying any sort of diagnosis, but it does seem that it’s possible that you think if you have the hots for someone who is interested in you, that you have to have a relationship with that person.

You don’t.

I know everything from The Princess Bride on down will tell you that’s the way True Love works.  It’s also a big ole steamin’ pile of nonsense.

As to the question about whether or not you are poly?   I have no idea, but I do have one question to ask you:  How do you feel about your partner also being free to have other loves (even ones the same sex as you, if you’re mostly hetero).  If you’re not okay with that?  I don’t think poly would work out well for you in the long run.  And before I get a flood of people defending the One Penis (or Vagina) Policy in relationships, I stick to finding inequitable relationships distasteful. It’s one thing when the dice fall that way.  It can happen.  It’s entirely another when there’s a rule about it, and 99.99% of the time, it’s about someone not wanting to confront their own feelings of jealousy or insecurity.

 

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A Can of Worms: Polyamory Definitions

Got an interesting one in my mailbox this morning:

How is Polyamory different from being in an open relationship?

I got into an argument with someone about it, I think it’s an unrealistic idea for most people.

I personally believe that “polyamory” for many people  is an intellectual validation/ politically correct term  for “promiscuity” or “being in an open relationship,” that feels less dirty for people due to it at least superficially being about “love.”

I use the terms polyamory and open relationship nearly interchangeably myself.  Many poly writers don’t.  And yes, if a differentiation is made, the definition revolves around love and commitment.  But, ya know, I’m not going to run down love and commitment.  Those are good things.

I even agree that some people use a lot of contortions to use terms to differentiate themselves in the mainstream’s eyes from those other dirty, dirty sluts.

However, there are a couple of premises upon which we disagree.  I think having lots of sex partners is okay.  I think consensual sex among adults is totally fine.  I’m pretty indifferent to being perceived as a slut.  Since the worst treatment and gossip about my sexuality I ever got was when I was in high school and still a virgin, it always seemed that letting other people’s perceptions of my sexuality drive my behavior and choices was mostly self-defeating.  For some people, my high school experience might have made them skittish and ashamed. It just burned out my give-a-damn.

I also disagree that polyamory is unrealistic for most people.  I don’t think it is.  I think tastes vary.  I think there are people who will be happy poly, and I think there are people who are not.  I think that our culture is set up to support the One True Love idea so strongly, however, that you do have to unpack a great deal of cultural baggage before polyamory is an intelligent or realistic choice.

Sometimes I think that there is this fear that polyamory is going to turn the world into a 21st Century Fuckfest.*  I think this mostly comes from this idea that if there weren’t powerful restraints against it, all people would do is spend their time pursuing sex.

Even if this wouldn’t be the worst thing I could think of, I think it’s inaccurate and the perception comes from seeing the behavior of some outliers.  Are there people whose main hobby seems to be sex and its pursuit?  Of course. I know several.  Is it bad?  I don’t think so. Can it be done unethically?  Yep.  You can say the same for making lots of money or going into politics.  I’m not willing to separate the ethics of sex from the ethics of any other pursuit.

Even if sex as one’s main hobby were a bad thing, it would still be an anomaly.  Sex is awesome, but so is building gadgets, writing books, going to the beach with your kids, learning a new language, making a movie, climbing a mountain, hanging out with friends or any of a number of other things people do.  Being poly doesn’t really change having a full human life.  In fact, I’d say that there is a fair proportion of poly people who do have their multiple relationships, but spend an enormous amount of time on family, community and other project.

You know, just like normal people do.

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* Presuming this would somehow be a bad thing.  I don’t see it that way.

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Bailing on Dates

I met my secondary partner earlier this year and we took our time getting to know each other before we played, and agreed to start a play-partnership.

Then a few months ago she met a new primary, and I only found this out when she added a new relationship status up online.

As a result I haven’t seen her since August. She’s in the throes of NRE and has bailed (last minute) on every one of our 5 arranged dates since meeting him.

Well, one of my own rules for myself that a string of bailing means I stop initiating. (If I ever did initiate.  I tend to be bad about that and am trying to work on it so my partners get the message that they are valued.)

I’ve communicated that I want to see her, it’s been too long since our last meeting and that I miss her, which she reciprocates in words but not actions.

Okay, while I’m all into believing one’s partner, when one’s words and actions do not agree, believe the actions.  What are her actions saying?

Part of the annoyance is that she lies about her reasons for bailing, citing illness or lack of funds to see me yet managing to see him and go clubbing etc.

 

I feel like I am the only one doing the chasing, messaging her, arranging meets. I feel like I have communicated the desire to see her.

From what you’re saying, it looks like you are the one to take the initiative and that it’s not being reciprocated.  I’d say this is a good time to stop initiating and be done with it.

As far as the lying thing?  You could ask her to explain discrepancies between her words and actions if you want to.  I do say “ask” rather than “accuse” on purpose.  It is just possible you don’t have all the information.  Then again, she could be a lying flake, but if you value the relationship, I’d go with the assumption you don’t have all the info, first!

I don’t want to end the relationship, I really like her and I am happy for things to be very laid back and to only see her every few months if needs be. But I don’t want to be bailed on, and treated badly as I see it. I realise she loves her new partner, but I also think she needs to make time for our relationship too. Ultimately if she takes months to make some time for me I can only interpret that as a lack of feeling for me, and end the relationship.

I don’t know that I automatically would assign seeing someone irregularly to the “lack of feeling” category, but bailing several times in a row does indicate that maybe she’s just not that into you.  I mean, it sucks and it hurts, but it doesn’t look good to me.

You don’t have to make it all official and “end the relationship.” You can just stop initiating.  Now, if what you’re saying is that there are things that are deal-breakers for you, you do need to express that.   Bailing five times in a row in general would be for me —barring professions or activities that duty requires one to be “on call” frequently.  You know, like being an on-call medical/rescue professional, on-call tech support, or new parent.

Words of wisdom and advice on how to deal with this would be great. I do worry that because things are new with us and we haven’t done much poly negotiating, she won’t be prepared to discuss boundaries and stuff. She added this primary without even telling me until after the fact, which I also felt was a bit bad of her. Im at a loss really – I do like her but I feel hurt by her. I don’t have a deep emotional attachment to her at this point (luckily perhaps) but the way she is behaving is making me unhappy.

I actually do have a relationship with someone who I see quite infrequently.  He added a primary and did tell me about it after the fact.  Did it bother me?  No, actually, I thought it was cool that he fell in love.  Why?  We only see each other every few months and we’ve never explicitly negotiated anything about each others’ other relationships.  Of course he’s free to add a primary if he wants to!  And… well, he’d established a pattern not only of keeping me in the loop, but being quite willing to listen if I asked for something and to give a clear yes or no.  What I didn’t have was the baggage of getting bailed on or felt like I was being lied to.  That does make an enormous amount of difference.  I knew damn well he was (and is) interested in me about as much as usual.

Do I challenge her on her behaviour and explain that bailing on me all the time makes me feel unwanted? Do I leave her to it and see if she comes to me? How long do I leave it before I finish the relationship?

Certainly it is okay to say, “I don’t like being bailed on.”  Is that going to change her behavior?  Dunno.  You’re going to have to try that and see.  I wince a bit at the use of the word challenge, though.  Approaching a partner in an adversarial frame of mind has its drawbacks.  (Enemies and Allies discusses this.  It was written by a wise and wonderful friend of mine.)

I will say that since you don’t have a deep emotional attachment to this person, that in terms of a relaxed life, you might just want to let this go.

One of the things that I’m seeing a bit more in poly discussions is the importance of good partner selection.  I don’t mean that any worthy human being would make a good partner.  In fact, they wouldn’t and that’s exactly the point.  You’re a unique human being with unique needs and desires.  What’s good partner selection for you?  It sounds to me like this person isn’t a good match for you.   You might benefit from thinking about what qualities make a good partner for you and decide if this person has them.

I hope things work out for you!

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On Gaslighting

This guest column was written by Peter J. Vinton, Jr., aka The Prince.

It’s Just A Trifle

Lily innocuously asks a favor of you one day.  Say, a quick phone call asking you to pick up her friend Orlando in front of the hardware store, and then to drop him off at the grocery store, where he works.  Both stops are on the way to your work, so it won’t be any extra time or mileage out of your way.  She gives you a pickup time of 6:30.  This is perhaps ten minutes earlier than you normally pass by the hardware store, but you figure it’s no real problem and you agree.

The next day you swing by the hardware store at 6:30.  Orlando is there, along with his friend Shnerf who also works at the grocery store, and he asks if this individual can also ride along.  You don’t want to leave this person stranded and make him late for work, so you agree.  The ride is uneventful; both of these strangers are polite and cordial.  You drop off both Orlando and Shnerf at the grocery store, they express their thanks, and you’re on your way.

That evening you get a text (not a call) from Lily, asking if you wouldn’t mind showing up at the hardware store at 6:15 tomorrow.  You’re a little puzzled; you didn’t explicitly agree to more than one day, but Lily insists that you did.  Since you don’t have anything in writing (a text or an email), you’re not able to effectively argue the point.  The next morning you swing by the hardware store at 6:15 and sure enough, Orlando is waiting, but Shnerf is running a few minutes late.  After some delay, the three of you are on your way by 6:30 and you drop them off at the grocery store at the same time as yesterday.  Again, since you yourself aren’t being made to arrive late to work, it’s not really an issue.  Your day passes normally.  Nobody calls or texts you that evening and you figure this 2-day run of weirdness is over.

The next morning, you proceed to work at your normal time.  As you pass the hardware store at 6:40, Orlando and Shnerf are standing out in front, wildly waving and trying to get your attention.  They’re both upset and flustered because “you’re more than 25 minutes late.”  On the way Shnerf apologizes for being a bother, but that he needs to swing past the pharmacy to pick up a prescription for his mother.  This takes you a few streets (and about 10 minutes) out of your way.  You don’t want to make your passengers later for work than they already are, and you also don’t want to penalize Shnerf’s poor uninvolved mother, so you agree.  You drop off Orlando and Shnerf at the grocery store 15 minutes late for their shift.  As Orlando steps out of the car he asks if you can swing by the hardware store 15 minutes earlier tomorrow “to make up for the shortfall.”  Adding to the confusion is the fact that you now don’t know if he means 15 minutes earlier than yesterday, or 15 minutes earlier than the first day, when all this began.

See what’s started happening here?  Graphing things out from this point, it’s easy to envision that over time you’re somehow leaving your house earlier and earlier every morning, and yet at the same time arriving to work later and later.  An element of chaos has been injected into your life, and you wonder how it got this way.  Even more disconcerting, when you try to do a mental recap, you discover to your great discomfort that you can’t even pinpoint exactly when it started becoming this big of a hassle.  Worst of all, in the absence of any hard facts or clearly-communicated agreements or intentions, you start questioning your own memory, a worry which piles itself on top of all the other difficulties.

Everyone must accept some share of the blame here: 1) Lily for not decisively explaining the exact need; 2) Orlando for failing to give you a heads-up about a second rider; 3) Shnerf for just assuming you’ll accommodate him; and of course 4) the person pictured on your driver’s license for not putting your foot down at… well, at some point.  You’re not sure when.

Some Working Definitions

Gaslighting is an expression that refers to a deliberate act of psychological manipulation; while it doesn’t necessarily imply malevolent intent, it certainly lends itself to malevolence.  The term comes from the Patrick Hamilton play Gas Light, in which the character Jack uses a variety of tricks, including incrementally turning the gas lamps lower and lower over time, to convince his wife Bella that she is consistently misremembering facts and is therefore crazy.[1]  One example of gaslighting in literature is in Roald Dahl’s humorous story The Twits, in which every night the husband surreptitiously glues a penny-sized sliver of wood to his wife’s walking stick, making it appear to grow ever longer over time, to the effect of ultimately convincing his wife that she is in fact shrinking.   Another telling example of gaslighting in literature appears in Frank Tashlin’s The Bear That Wasn’t, in which an unsuspecting bear is consistently told by ever higher and higher-ranking individuals that he is not really a bear but
“a silly man who needs a shave and wears a fur coat;” to the point where the bear himself begins insisting –to other bears– that he is in fact just “a silly man who needs a shave and wears a fur coat.”  The 2005 film Flightplan revolves around a systematic attempt to convince Jodie Foster’s character that that she is entirely mistaken about her daughter’s disappearance, and the conflict between what she remembers versus what she is being told, drives her very nearly insane.  It might even be argued that the 2010 science-fiction film Inception represents a complex, drawn-out act of deliberate gaslighting; a team of professional swindlers manipulates the “mark” below three layers of subconscious, making him believe that a deliberately planted falsehood is in fact an idea he came up with entirely on his own.

Convincing a person that their memory is not in accord with the facts ultimately leads to a distorted view of reality and an inability to trust one’s own judgment.  The desired end result is usually to foster a sense of extreme dependence (often on the part of a spouse or significant other); that the victim desperately needs the gaslighter to help him/her remember facts correctly.  The abuser may, for example, move objects from their original locations and then insist that the victim in fact misplaced them.  The abuser may consistently deny ever having said a thing (that was in fact said), or may repeatedly insist that their victim did in fact a say a thing (that was in fact never said).  The victim eventually comes to believe the gaslighter’s definitions of “what really happened” and accept this false projection as truth.

Creeping concessions is an expression coined by The Polyamorous Misanthrope[2] and it refers to any situation in which a friend, romantic partner, or an employer (or even a government), incrementally expects more and more out of a person –a little extra time, a little more money, a little extra help, a teensy indulgence, a few more “other duties as assigned.” Since the requests for “something extra” never amount to much on their own merits (after all, what’s one more dollar or just five more minutes?), it might seem selfish or unreasonable to refuse.  Next thing you know, you’ve lost large amounts of money and/or huge chunks of time to something you’re pretty sure you didn’t explicitly agree.

Again it would appear that childrens’ literature may provide one of the best illustrative examples: the entire plot of Laura Numeroff’s If You Give A Mouse A Cookie may be safely said to be an ever-escalating string of creeping concessions.

Taken together, creeping concessions and gaslighting can be a formidable obstacle.  Both are very slippery to pin down, very hard to detect.  At a surface level, the gaslighters almost always come across as affable (even charming) and entirely reasonable.  By the same token, the creeping concession almost always begins as an entirely reasonable request; a trifle, certainly nothing worth worrying about.

Even the example given at the beginning of this essay is hard to decisively attribute to a deliberate act of gaslighting or a deliberate act of creeping concessions; indeed there may be no malevolent intent at all (not on Orlando or Shnerf’s part, and perhaps not even consciously on Lily’s part), yet events have still snowballed into something unmanageable.

Okay, I Get It, It’s Hard to Define.  So: How Do I Guard Against It?

Gaslighting and creeping concessions, particularly when taken together, can be especially brutal on relationships.  These twin forms of psychological abuse can destroy self-esteem, alienate, and lead to depression (potentially even suicide).  Both acts ultimately lead to a loss of control over one’s own perceptions and priorities.  Psychologically defined as forms of ambient abuse, they can be employed to trick the victim into staying in an abusive relationship (or employment situation), induce an ever-present sense of disorientation, or to erode the victim’s own confidence in themselves, to the point of even seeing themselves as the antagonist and their abuser as the one who must endure the suffering.

Perceptions aren’t easy to refute –after all, the truism “You see the world from where you sit” applies to everyone regardless of their station in life.  This includes people who are being systematically and deliberately lied to.  Whether you are a bear or just a silly man who needs a shave and wears a fur coat, it is perception that drives everything else about you.

So how do we reconcile actual truth with what we are being told?

First and perhaps foremost, gut instincts often go a long way toward unraveling the gaslighter’s plans.  If your boss or your friend or your significant other seems to repeat phrases like “no, we talked about this already, don’t you remember?” a little too often, this might well be a warning sign –particularly if the “don’t you remember?” applies to your own preferences (i.e., what you like versus what you dislike) more so than actual events –when your memory is openly challenged, doubted, or outright refuted, it is time to pay attention.

While nobody’s gut instinct is infallible, there’s a lot to be said for following a hunch.  Your intuition is there for a reason –make a habit of listening to it.[3]  Admittedly sometimes it may be in error, just as surely as your other five senses might occasionally misidentify a smell or a taste or a sound, but the simple fact is: they’re not usually wrong.  Neither is your intuition.

Second, write that stuff down.

No, seriously. Write that stuff down

Lily may or may not have been the instigator in the opening scenario, but she certainly didn’t help matters by asking the original favor over the phone and not via text or by e-mail.  Whether it’s just jotting a quick reminder in a calendar or archiving every email ever sent or received, a little documentation goes a long way towards establishing where perceptions diverged from reality.[4]  Pay particular attention if the individual is actively discouraging you from making any kind of written record (i.e., “Oh, you can remember that.  You don’t need to write that down.”)  Again, the direct challenge to your memory could be a sign of something deeper.  Ignore the slight and write it down anyway.

Finally, how’s your personal account balance?  Not just your bank account, but your own personal time bank?  Does it seem to be diminishing, and not just for the usual reasons (you’re a parent, you devote a lot of time to a particular hobby or enthusiasm, you work a lot of hours)?  Does it ever seem as though, far from being able to plan things out in any kind of long-term, that you’re instead hopping from one emergency to the next, and that there’s never quite enough time to satisfactorily resolve Problem No. 81 before Problem No. 82 crash-lands on you? Does it feel as though there’s a consistent pattern of never-quite-resolved turmoil, and that brief moments of relative calm are just that: brief?  A state of constant crisis is not healthy, be it a friendship, a romantic relationship, a term of employment, or a government in relation to its own citizens.  Conduct periodic audits of your time bank (and be just as ruthless about it as an IRS agent).  There could well be some creeping concessions lurking just out of view; somewhere back in the fogginess of your own memory, the mouse may have demanded more than just a cookie. Repeated patterns of sleep deprivation and never-ending financial shortfalls could conceivably also serve as a heads-up. [5]  Again, see what your gut instinct has to say about it.

Your memory is one of the very few possessions that you get to keep with you for your entire lifetime, and anything that threatens its integrity is by definition paralyzingly fearful.  People far wiser than I have generated a great deal of informative literature on the dual subjects of gaslighting and creeping concessions, and I would recommend them heartily, starting with the various footnotes in this essay.  They are excellent building blocks and I sincerely hope the knowledge contained in them might offer some hope to anyone who might find themselves at the wrong end of this kind of ambient abuse.


[1] Taverniers, Karen. “Gaslighting in Controlling Relationships.”

[4] Stern, Robin.  “The Gaslight Effect: How to Spot and Survive the Hidden Manipulation Others Use to Control Your Life.”

[5] A Message From Men To Women: You Are Not “Crazy.” www.thehiddenconscience.com

On Gasslighting
© 2011, Peter J. Vinton, Jr.
Used by permission

Peter Vinton Jr. lives in northern New England where he not only finally got around to graduating college at the age of 35 but also figured out how to put his creepy-ass deep voice to work as a computer instructor, mostly by scaring his students (even the 65 year-old ones with multiple doctorates) into making it to class on time.  He still teaches, draws/paints scantily-clad superhero-babes as a sideline, and wears his hair long even when he doesn’t have to.  He has recently solved the Great Vermont Corn Maze.  Vinton remains a Cancer but wants to “keep his options open” and hasn’t ruled out being a Libra or perhaps even a Pisces someday.

 

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One Poly Weekend

I had someone comment on Hobbiton today mentioning that she wasn’t seeing people with happy poly relationships talking about them, but she was seeing discussion of the unhappy ones and that she was beginning to despair, except for another poly writer and myself.

While I hadn’t really considered this weekend good column fodder, it involved what good poly relationships can look like, so I figured I’d do a post about it so you can see how this works.

We start the weekend going to pick up my daughter.[1]  She and her mother had moved recently and she wanted to go to a local event in our town to be able to see some friends from her old home.  On the way, I get a text.  Now, I might be crazy, but I’m not insane enough to text and drive.  So I get The Prince to take a look at my phone and see what’s up.  It was from FWB wanting to arrange a visit and suggesting a date.  I asked The Prince if he had anything planned for the time period that might interfere.  He said no, so I asked if he’d text FWB agreeing to the date.

We pick up our daughter, have some dinner and head home.  It’s late, so everyone goes to bed.

The next morning, we Clean All the Things, go grocery shopping, and drop off a bag of canned, boxed stuff,[2] and diapers at the local food pantry – usual Saturday morning stuff.  Cleaning All the Things takes less than half the time it usually does, due to an extra pair of hands.  Ditto on the shopping.  Teenagers are amazingly wonderful creatures.

The Prince’s girlfriend, Mme Bernhardt, was due to come over that evening, and he also had a radio show he was hosting, so what with that and the kids’ outing, I decided to whip up some pizzas for all of us for dinner.  After that, the kids went out and The Prince disappeared to prep for his show.  Mme Bernhardt needed a dress for a film shoot the next day, so we went shopping to find something that would match her favorite shoes.  Yes, yes, most people would look for shoes to match a dress, but hey…

We had a good time doing some shopping and found a gorgeous dress for her. We came back in time to hear some of The Prince’s show and await the return of the kids.  We had dirty martinis, and after the kids drifted back in, we played some Wii Sports Resort.  I arrogantly declared I was going to whip Mme Bernhardt’s butt at Wakeboarding only to be humbled by having my score nearly doubled.  You’d think I’d learn…

The next day, The Prince made us all breakfast, then he and Mme Bernhardt went off to the set.  About a half an hour later, I get a text saying that Muscle Boy should be there because it would be good experience for him.  So I herd the kids to the car and drop him off to go be a padawan.  My daughter and I spend the afternoon getting a new power adapter for her computer, and just generally hanging out.

The shoot ran late[3] but not too badly, so we were all able to sit down to dinner together before we had to get our daughter home.

This is what poly can look like when there’s not a great deal of foolishness or drama going on.  Poly writers tend not to write about this stuff because when things are going well, it’s… just life.  You don’t really thinkabout it.  I wasn’t planning to write this at all, except for a comment which prompted it.

Which prompts something else.  What’s your happy poly story?



[1] From OLQ. Since OLQ has broken up, she lives with her mother, but we’re lucky enough that we can continue a relationship.

[2] Our area has had it rough due to flooding.  We didn’t used to do that EVERY week, but are doing it more often for now.

[3] I know, big shock.

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The Anti-Polyamory Press is at it Again

Why “Open” Marriages Don’t Work. This article is a bit insidious and I find it disturbing. The basic allusion is that anyone who wants to be poly is damaged somehow and might actually have Schizoid Personality Disorder. I deeply disagree with many points in her article. Where there’s not an armchair diagnosis, she seems to find open relationships male-driven and female tolerated. As you can imagine, I find really weird. In fact, I’d say that she’s not interacted much with the polyamory community to have this point of view!

I would like to encourage the polyamory community to respond to this by going to Psychology Today and giving some feedback. However, a caveat: I don’t think the author knows many poly people. The letters she gets are going to be the face of polyamory to her. You will be the face of polyamory to her. Keep that in mind and be a credit to your kink in your responses.

Update:  Well, it seems the aforementioned article has been taken down.  Interesting.  I hope that she’s reconsidering her opinion due to thoughtful, intelligent feedback and a desire to do some research.

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Package Deals in Polyamory

For the record, this letter was a bit longer. I’ve edited it for brevity, but I hope that I kept the salient points:

For almost half a year now, I’ve been involved in a polyamorous relationship with a married man. His wife and I are very different people. I’ve been trying to find some common ground between us, but we might as well be from different planets. I don’t dislike her, but it’s been obvious from our first meeting that there wasn’t anything to connect us apart from our partner. And I’m fine with that. I thought she was too – until two weeks ago, when my partner told me that his wife was upset because of the plans we’d all been making for some festivals. Because we like different things, I’d said I didn’t mind organizing my own trip there by myself, so they could just plan to go together without anyone having to compromise on which performances to see and such. Apparently, this upset her because if we were all going to the festival anyway, she wanted to go together and do things with the three of us. So I thought, ‘wow, I must have completely missed her attempts to make friends with me, I’m such an ass’ – except that further discussion revealed that no, she didn’t feel any particular connection with me either, and she hadn’t been putting any effort into trying to create one. She didn’t want ME specifically to go to the festivals with them, she just wants his other partner(s) to be people she could be friends with and who would form ‘their little group’ and I’m not someone who fit that picture in her head.

I didn’t enter into a relationship with her, I entered into a relationship with her husband; and while I realize that she ‘comes with the package’, so to say, I don’t feel obliged to do anything other than show her general friendliness, courtesy, and honesty, especially after my attempts to find common ground earlier in the relationship failed

I could use some advice on how to reopen the dialogue, or just a fresh perspective on the whole thing. I don’t want her to be miserable, and of course I don’t want my partner to be miserable, but I don’t know what I should do. I know I’m a rather headstrong, inflexible person, so maybe it’s me who’s at fault here. Am I being a complete pain in the backside and should I just adapt? I guess she could be feeling excluded, though she hasn’t phrased it like that.

It is not unusual to go into polyamory with an attitude of what an ex of mine use to refer to as a “group hug” mentality. He said it with a level of extreme frustration, and I think that frustration was pretty justified in retrospect. Part of the appeal of polyamory for some people is you get your gang to hang out with. Many poly people, and I’ll include myself, like the idea of this group that’s all mutually supportive and on each other’s side and hangs out with each other all the time and…

And that’s just dandy if it just works out that way. Trying to engineer it? Forget it. It won’t work and there will be explosions. The more you try to force it, the worse the pushback.

With that perspective, I do have some things to offer about opening a dialog:

  • Yes, you need to open a dialog

    This is a genuine problem that needs addressing. While it is not an emergency, and we don’t need to be waking people up in the middle of the night with it, scheduling a time to get together over a cup of tea and talking is a good idea. This doesn’t have to be some Very Big Deal. You can just say, “Hey, I’m concerned about a couple of things. When you have a few minutes in the next couple of weeks, can we sit down together for a bit?”

  • Don’t let hubby be the go-between

    You are worried about how your boyfriend’s wife is feeling. Talk with her. Don’t let the boyfriend interpret. Don’t have hubby be the manager between you two. You’re grown-ups. You can talk. It is not unusual in V-type relationships for the hinge to be expected to be the go-between. I don’t often see it turning out well. Direct communication between the parties involved is better.

  • Reiterate that you do feel benevolent

    You stated that you feel like you owe her friendliness and courtesy. Yep, you’re right. You owe each other that. True, true, true. When opening up about this, the fact that you do feel kindly towards everyone involved and that you don’t want anyone feeling miserable is a great thing to bring up. Make sure that everyone gets that “We’re not cut out to be bestest buddies” doesn’t map in any way to “I hate your guts”. Some people get a little binary about this and need a reminder that distant kindliness is just fine.

  • You don’t actually know what your boyfriend’s wife is thinking.

    You’re guessing about how your boyfriend’s wife feels. Put that on hold and wait to ask. It’ll avoid some miscommunication if you don’t presume to know what she’s thinking and when you get together simply ask. It might be what you’re guessing, but it could be another issue. Ask her what it is she wants and if she’s willing to explain why. If she’s feeling left out, it’s possible she has a direct idea of what she wants and why. Be willing to listen to that, because it’s entirely possible you’ll be all good with what she wants as a solution.

  • Take her at her word.

    Presume every word your boyfriend’s partner is saying is the absolute truth and act on that. This has a two-fold benefit. If she’s telling the truth, good communication is happening. If she’s not telling the truth, she shoots herself in the foot and either opens up and starts being forthcoming, or solves the problem by causing an explosion. If you try to interpret, you’ll either get it wrong, or encourage her not to communicate clearly. That’s not helpful to anyone.

  • You’re allowed to say “No.”

    You are not obligated to say yes to everything she wants. You’re only obligated to tell the truth and say yes to those things you’re cool with saying yes to. i.e. “Sure, we can all go to that concert together, but I want to go to the post-party alone.”

 

You say you’re headstrong. That’s okay. But be willing to talk. Be willing to listen and be open to ideas. Chances are very good you don’t have all the information, so getting it would be a good way to make a better decision. You’re quite right that a talk needs to happen. However, you might hear that the boyfriend’s wife doesn’t want to talk. I hope that doesn’t happen, as I can’t see that as ending well. But if she doesn’t want to talk to you, you can’t force that, either.

Good luck!

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