Archive for February, 2005

Originally published at

http://www.polyfamilies.com/misanthrope20050219.html

“Well, no, I don’t think it is a good idea if my children know I am poly!”
Mama Java, she read a line similar to this on her lunch break. Her office is outside a corridor that is mostly marble and concrete, so her exclamation of “What the fuck?” echoed quite clearly and entertainingly all through the third floor. Mama Java, she thinks she caused heart failure in some of her colleagues, because they had developed the idea in the last two years she has worked in her present job that she doesn’t swear .

Okay, enough of the goofy third person and into the meat of the article.

Friends, I’m not trying to assert that your children need the details of your sex life. I sure as hell don’t know what my parents do in bed, and don’t want to. For that matter, if I’m not involved, I don’t want the details of anyone’s sex life and I’m not giving out the details of mine!

But!

My father once commented something to me when my son was born that I have taken strongly to heart, “Your children won’t listen to a word you say. They will pay close attention to what you do.”

This is quite true. So, what kind of example are you setting for the kids? If you’re in doubt that setting the example of being poly is okay, you really, really need to rethink your stance on whether or not you have any business doing it yourself. This is not about whether or not it’s okay for an adult to do something a kid shouldn’t. I’ll have a glass of wine in front of the kids, and they know that it’s something a grownup in the US can do but a kid can’t . They know I have a special vocabulary of “grown-up” words I can use because I know when and were to use them. If I really thought cussing was wrong, or would freak if my kids ever developed the vocabulary, however, I’d stop doing it. In fact, my parents did not cuss because they really did not want me to develop the vocabulary.

I don’t think it is okay, for instance, to kick small animals. I set the example by being kind to our cats. The kids will model this and they’re gentle with pets. I think that reading a lot is a good thing. The kids see me with a nose in a book a lot, so they get the idea that this is something people do. I think that eating right and exercising is important. They see me do that.

Not to say I set a perfect example. The kids know I am severely addicted to caffeine and that I’ve been pretty unsuccessful in kicking the habit. I explain to them about addictive substances, they’ve seen how I feel ill if I don’t get the caffeine and we’ve talked about this. Because of this example and what they see, they will ask before consuming a strange soda if it has caffeine in it and will avoid it if it does.

Notice that I’m not holding back in talking to them. I don’t pretend to the children that I am perfect. I don’t think it is useful to do so. I do discuss things and explain to them the consequences of my choices — as best I can in an age-appropriate manner, mind!

So, if you’re not sure it’s okay for your kids to grow up to be poly, then maybe you ought to reconsider yourself. If you are okay with it, it’s also okay to discuss, age appropriately always, the consequences of it. After all, there are consequences to all actions and it’s okay, and even a good thing to make sure the kids understand this. (i.e. “Always tell the truth so that the people that you love will trust you.”, “It’s a good thing to speak up and tell people what you want, but it’s a bad think to throw a screaming fit if someone says, ‘No’.”)

It all boils down to making sure that you set the example of the person you want your kids to be. No, they won’t be a Mini-Me, nor should they. But, setting the example of thinking for yourself and choosing your own life will increase your children’s chance at happiness when they are grown.

Originally published on

http://www.polyfamilies.com/misanthrope20050205.html

Yet again, Mama Java, she’s had it up to her eyeballs!

I’m tired of seeing this:

Well, Mr. I’m Searching for a Hot Bi Babe, that’s nice you want to get laid and all, but we’re about polyamory. What you’re talking about is just swinging!

What the hell is it with the poly community sneering at the swingers? I’m sick of it, I tellya! I am serious. Had it up to my eyeballs and wanna rip on someone.

It comes from several places. For one thing, what’s wrong with swinging? Seriously. I don’t sneer at it, think it is a lesser form of sex or anything like that. If we’re coming from a place that says sex is okay, that monogamy is not the only way to be, why say swinging is bad? Not to your taste? Okay, that’s fine. There are plenty of things that are to my taste and that aren’t. These don’t make me better/more moral/more spiritually advanced. It’s just what might rock my socks or not.

These are the arguments I tend to see:

  • “But, swinging is about anonymous sex!”The hell it is. Most swingers play with people they know. In fact, one swinger I talk to a lot commented, upon hearing the poly attitude to swinging, “Hey, I only have sex with friends.” In truth, even if swinging were about anonymous sex, so what? Why is this wrong? That’s really as absurd as people who used to justify pre-martial sex as not quite wrong if you were “really in love”. Fah! Get over it! Go read The Ethical Slut, have a cup of cocoa and call me when you’ve gotten a grip on reality!
  • Polyamory is just so much more emotionally fulfillingOh I love this one! If you think poly is automatically more emotionally fulfilling, then you’ve never watched some of the spectacular breakups one can see in the poly community. Sorry, ain’t pretending everything is all butterflys and roses here, m’kay? Sometimes poly works out great, sometimes it bloody well sucks. Same range as relationships in general. I’m not here to reassure you that poly is gonna be The Way to Have Deep and Fulfilling Relationships. It ain’t. It’s a way to have more than one ethically. What you do with that is up to you.
  • Polyamory is about commitment.In the words of a friend of mine, “Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.” I’ve not seen that the poly community exactly wins any real prizes in the commitment category. Drama? Hell yeah, we’ve got that down pat. Miscommunication? Got it. We’re masters. Keeping in there when the going gets rough? Again, about on par with the monogamous community. Don’t get on your damned high horse. Swingers are more honest about sex, ‘kay?

I find the attitude many poly people have about swinging just mind-numbingly hypocritical, and I would really like it if we’d rethink the attitude. In all honesty, I have to wonder why we hang on to such attitudes? What the heck are we afraid of? Being called a slut? <shrug> Sticks-n-stones, luv! Having people look down on our relationships? Get over it. No, they’re not going to be respected and sneering at people won’t help them to be that way. Someday, maybe, we will have multiple relationships treated with dignity, but if public opinion is that damned important to you, why the heck are you poly?

The swingers don’t get up in arms about what we say about them.

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