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		<title>By: Emet</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/07/22/meaningless-sex/#comment-968</link>
		<dc:creator>Emet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The reality nourishes in a way
That no gingerbread house ever could."

You speak of sex, unbound by the "fairy tale of monogamy", as the reality while the monogamous "One True Love" style relationship is a "lie".  This is what you believe.

"Worse than a lie
It’s a poisoned apple so shiny and lovely
That will choke you and leave you cold encased in glass."

This describes your own experiences and observations of the "One True Love" sexual relationship.  What was meaningful from your "One True Love" relationship is a "lie", and the pain seems to have outweighed anything positive. . .  Is it true that the negatives and positives we experience from our "One True Love" relationships are meaningless as compared to the sundry and various sexual relationships we have with "many loves"?  Can these "many loves" be called "TRUE"?

And is "truth" many things, or is "truth" one thing and one thing only?

It boils down to 'absolutes' or lack thereof always.

With the way you define "meaningful", anything can be meaningful.  Even a dog pissing on the leg of a man.  Sex with a goat, under your definitions, can be emotional meaningful to someone.  We can squeeze emotional meaning from anything.  And what is good meaningful and what is bad meaningful?  Some people always want to erase the boundaries for fear of something. . .  perhaps fear that their individual lives will not be good enough, perhaps for fear of failure that they must cover up and not call "bad"?  It becomes egotistical and full of pride.  No one likes to be "wrong" or "bad", so we've convenientally blurred the boundaries.

What does "meaningful" mean?  How do we define it personally?

I think sex is a religious mystery.  And I do believe in "One True Love" relationships as there is more to be learned, improved in myself (and enjoyed!) by submitting to self-discipline, refinement by trial, learning to put self last while serving another. . .  as for the sexual enjoyment part, there is no boredom in a monogamous sexual relationship built upon TRUTH where both parties endeavor to serve one another through serving God.  There's freedom in that really.

ALL relationships go through UGLY times.  It's the "fairy tale" of polyamory that is a "lie".  Sister, you keep preaching the lie to all so desperate to believe it because they cannot handle the TRUTH.  The truth about our ugly state in humanity.  Humanity is not beautiful without TRUTH.

Sex is a religious mystery, more than a human physical or emotional function.  I guess I have higher standards, and I do believe in 'absolutes'.  (Makes me a Sith, I s'pose, haha.)

Nicole hasn't become totally blind to the truth.  I think it's totally natural for her to be hurt by her ex's behaviour. . .  Human beings are hardwired to be "significant" to someone.  If a person does not understand his/her significance to God, his/her self-esteem is built on that which is false and empty.  Nicole's bigger problem may be that she doesn't understand how significant she is to God.  Most women do look for significance (they want to mean everything to one man, have that one man sacrifice for her, etc.) in a monogamous, hopefully marriage, relationship.  Men who do not fulfill that role of protector, monogamous husband, and do not learn to serve in a servant-leadership role will never feel fulfilled as men.  Both men and women who never realize this are empty and continue searching and searching.

Have you become totally numb to it?  Have your eyes and heart been so closed to God's mysterious design for sex in a monogamous marital relationship?  Open them, sugar, before it's too late.

Sex is a mystery, and you will never pin it down.  It is a mystery, and not even science as we know it can get close to its origins. . .  unless it looks to the Creator.  Polyamory doesn't look to the Creator.  It's a false religion that you will die upon. . .

Nicole, find significance in God, and you will find more satisfaction in a marital monogamous relationship.  Don't waste yourself on something so nebulous (as human definition can be) as the Goddess of Java's philosophies.  Her philosophies are whims constructed on her poems and personal experiences.  Find something ancient to give direction to your life.  I say the Bible will be your best bet.  Goddess of Java has built her philosophies on science fiction and the experiments of the Flower Power era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The reality nourishes in a way<br />
That no gingerbread house ever could.&#8221;</p>
<p>You speak of sex, unbound by the &#8220;fairy tale of monogamy&#8221;, as the reality while the monogamous &#8220;One True Love&#8221; style relationship is a &#8220;lie&#8221;.  This is what you believe.</p>
<p>&#8220;Worse than a lie<br />
It’s a poisoned apple so shiny and lovely<br />
That will choke you and leave you cold encased in glass.&#8221;</p>
<p>This describes your own experiences and observations of the &#8220;One True Love&#8221; sexual relationship.  What was meaningful from your &#8220;One True Love&#8221; relationship is a &#8220;lie&#8221;, and the pain seems to have outweighed anything positive. . .  Is it true that the negatives and positives we experience from our &#8220;One True Love&#8221; relationships are meaningless as compared to the sundry and various sexual relationships we have with &#8220;many loves&#8221;?  Can these &#8220;many loves&#8221; be called &#8220;TRUE&#8221;?</p>
<p>And is &#8220;truth&#8221; many things, or is &#8220;truth&#8221; one thing and one thing only?</p>
<p>It boils down to &#8216;absolutes&#8217; or lack thereof always.</p>
<p>With the way you define &#8220;meaningful&#8221;, anything can be meaningful.  Even a dog pissing on the leg of a man.  Sex with a goat, under your definitions, can be emotional meaningful to someone.  We can squeeze emotional meaning from anything.  And what is good meaningful and what is bad meaningful?  Some people always want to erase the boundaries for fear of something. . .  perhaps fear that their individual lives will not be good enough, perhaps for fear of failure that they must cover up and not call &#8220;bad&#8221;?  It becomes egotistical and full of pride.  No one likes to be &#8220;wrong&#8221; or &#8220;bad&#8221;, so we&#8217;ve convenientally blurred the boundaries.</p>
<p>What does &#8220;meaningful&#8221; mean?  How do we define it personally?</p>
<p>I think sex is a religious mystery.  And I do believe in &#8220;One True Love&#8221; relationships as there is more to be learned, improved in myself (and enjoyed!) by submitting to self-discipline, refinement by trial, learning to put self last while serving another. . .  as for the sexual enjoyment part, there is no boredom in a monogamous sexual relationship built upon TRUTH where both parties endeavor to serve one another through serving God.  There&#8217;s freedom in that really.</p>
<p>ALL relationships go through UGLY times.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;fairy tale&#8221; of polyamory that is a &#8220;lie&#8221;.  Sister, you keep preaching the lie to all so desperate to believe it because they cannot handle the TRUTH.  The truth about our ugly state in humanity.  Humanity is not beautiful without TRUTH.</p>
<p>Sex is a religious mystery, more than a human physical or emotional function.  I guess I have higher standards, and I do believe in &#8216;absolutes&#8217;.  (Makes me a Sith, I s&#8217;pose, haha.)</p>
<p>Nicole hasn&#8217;t become totally blind to the truth.  I think it&#8217;s totally natural for her to be hurt by her ex&#8217;s behaviour. . .  Human beings are hardwired to be &#8220;significant&#8221; to someone.  If a person does not understand his/her significance to God, his/her self-esteem is built on that which is false and empty.  Nicole&#8217;s bigger problem may be that she doesn&#8217;t understand how significant she is to God.  Most women do look for significance (they want to mean everything to one man, have that one man sacrifice for her, etc.) in a monogamous, hopefully marriage, relationship.  Men who do not fulfill that role of protector, monogamous husband, and do not learn to serve in a servant-leadership role will never feel fulfilled as men.  Both men and women who never realize this are empty and continue searching and searching.</p>
<p>Have you become totally numb to it?  Have your eyes and heart been so closed to God&#8217;s mysterious design for sex in a monogamous marital relationship?  Open them, sugar, before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>Sex is a mystery, and you will never pin it down.  It is a mystery, and not even science as we know it can get close to its origins. . .  unless it looks to the Creator.  Polyamory doesn&#8217;t look to the Creator.  It&#8217;s a false religion that you will die upon. . .</p>
<p>Nicole, find significance in God, and you will find more satisfaction in a marital monogamous relationship.  Don&#8217;t waste yourself on something so nebulous (as human definition can be) as the Goddess of Java&#8217;s philosophies.  Her philosophies are whims constructed on her poems and personal experiences.  Find something ancient to give direction to your life.  I say the Bible will be your best bet.  Goddess of Java has built her philosophies on science fiction and the experiments of the Flower Power era.</p>
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		<title>By: Goddess of Java</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/07/22/meaningless-sex/#comment-803</link>
		<dc:creator>Goddess of Java</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.  Well, sugar, if you're staying up all night worrying about whether or not you're being badmouthed, I'd say that there's a problem going on that's worse for you than whether or not you chose well in boyfriends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  Well, sugar, if you&#8217;re staying up all night worrying about whether or not you&#8217;re being badmouthed, I&#8217;d say that there&#8217;s a problem going on that&#8217;s worse for you than whether or not you chose well in boyfriends.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/07/22/meaningless-sex/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found out that my boyfriend - now ex - was cheating on me. What kind of sex was that? Sometimes, I stay up all night thinking that he was badmouthing me the entire time while he was screwing his new broad. But I've managed to calm down. There's this ebook I'm reading that's helping me calm down, sex or no sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found out that my boyfriend - now ex - was cheating on me. What kind of sex was that? Sometimes, I stay up all night thinking that he was badmouthing me the entire time while he was screwing his new broad. But I&#8217;ve managed to calm down. There&#8217;s this ebook I&#8217;m reading that&#8217;s helping me calm down, sex or no sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Hipster King</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/07/22/meaningless-sex/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Hipster King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for a wonderful essay; this site was referred to me by a good friend.  

I agree that all sex has meaning, but I also use the term sex to define not just intercourse or orgasmic release but an exchange of experiences that touch us.  Someone made reference to a hot fudge sundae, and if there is a moment in which two people are sharing the experience of the hot fudge sundae, it is in fact meaningful and could be, depending on how stimulated they are by it, considered sexual in nature.

There are those who can disconnect the act of sex from love or from emotion, but just because it is disconnected from other emotions does not imply it has no meaning.  Would that not cheapen the experience itself?  Are we not allowed to find meaning in a totally physical emotionally non-binding experience?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a wonderful essay; this site was referred to me by a good friend.  </p>
<p>I agree that all sex has meaning, but I also use the term sex to define not just intercourse or orgasmic release but an exchange of experiences that touch us.  Someone made reference to a hot fudge sundae, and if there is a moment in which two people are sharing the experience of the hot fudge sundae, it is in fact meaningful and could be, depending on how stimulated they are by it, considered sexual in nature.</p>
<p>There are those who can disconnect the act of sex from love or from emotion, but just because it is disconnected from other emotions does not imply it has no meaning.  Would that not cheapen the experience itself?  Are we not allowed to find meaning in a totally physical emotionally non-binding experience?</p>
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		<title>By: feelingflirty</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/07/22/meaningless-sex/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>feelingflirty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are never too many or too few times to enjoy sex together.  There's only a problem if you don't agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are never too many or too few times to enjoy sex together.  There&#8217;s only a problem if you don&#8217;t agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Verdigris</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/07/22/meaningless-sex/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Verdigris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sex takes on the meaning that you give it.  A playful romp in the hay having a good time can be a fleeting moment of ecstacy or the essence of life or the shame of a life time.  But there is still meaning.  There is still purpose.   Sex just seals the purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sex takes on the meaning that you give it.  A playful romp in the hay having a good time can be a fleeting moment of ecstacy or the essence of life or the shame of a life time.  But there is still meaning.  There is still purpose.   Sex just seals the purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Kit</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/07/22/meaningless-sex/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"All sex is meaningful, or no sex is."
All it takes for that to be untrue is for any one human to have experienced non meaningful sex , as well as meaningful sex.
Some folks manage that just fine.
For me, it recalls sex=true love.
For some folks, sex without love is worthless, for others, it's an excuse.
For some folks sex and love just are, and may or may not fall together.
As may be.

What is an absolute for one is simply not so for another- sex can be meaningless, unless one applies the same meaning to a hot fudge sundae.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All sex is meaningful, or no sex is.&#8221;<br />
All it takes for that to be untrue is for any one human to have experienced non meaningful sex , as well as meaningful sex.<br />
Some folks manage that just fine.<br />
For me, it recalls sex=true love.<br />
For some folks, sex without love is worthless, for others, it&#8217;s an excuse.<br />
For some folks sex and love just are, and may or may not fall together.<br />
As may be.</p>
<p>What is an absolute for one is simply not so for another- sex can be meaningless, unless one applies the same meaning to a hot fudge sundae.</p>
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		<title>By: lovenewataol</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/07/22/meaningless-sex/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>lovenewataol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since our little lizard brain makes us want to have sex to keep the species going. Now if we understand that premise that our brain desires to have sex and we understand that about ourselves, then sex does not have to have a meaning, just enjoyable physical pleasure, which is an leftover result of evolution. Those that had good feeling, physically, from sex, reproduced and those that did not enjoy the physical pleasure died off. The benefits of evolution for us living today. So just have sex and enjoy, without trying to assign a higher value to the physical act. Enjoy the pleasure. No learned guilt response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since our little lizard brain makes us want to have sex to keep the species going. Now if we understand that premise that our brain desires to have sex and we understand that about ourselves, then sex does not have to have a meaning, just enjoyable physical pleasure, which is an leftover result of evolution. Those that had good feeling, physically, from sex, reproduced and those that did not enjoy the physical pleasure died off. The benefits of evolution for us living today. So just have sex and enjoy, without trying to assign a higher value to the physical act. Enjoy the pleasure. No learned guilt response.</p>
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		<title>By: phonsie</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/07/22/meaningless-sex/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>phonsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been said that Money makes the world go 'round.  But really, it is sex.
If you have an emotional tie to your sex partner, it is more gratifying for both, than just a "hook-up" for sex.  Sexual desire in humans, is, no different than Animals, but, un-like most animals, most humans, desire an emotional connection along with the physical.  A  happoy forever after, takes daily work, understanding, compromise, respect for each other and love from both parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been said that Money makes the world go &#8217;round.  But really, it is sex.<br />
If you have an emotional tie to your sex partner, it is more gratifying for both, than just a &#8220;hook-up&#8221; for sex.  Sexual desire in humans, is, no different than Animals, but, un-like most animals, most humans, desire an emotional connection along with the physical.  A  happoy forever after, takes daily work, understanding, compromise, respect for each other and love from both parties.</p>
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		<title>By: phonsie</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/07/22/meaningless-sex/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>phonsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been said that Money makes the world go 'round.  But really, it is sex.
If you have an emotional tie to your sex partner, it is more gratifying for both, than just a "hook-up" for sex.  Sexual desire in humans, is, no different than Animals, but, un-like most animals, most humans, desire an emotional connection along with the physical.  A a happoy forever after, takes daily work, understanding, compromise, respect for each other and love from both parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been said that Money makes the world go &#8217;round.  But really, it is sex.<br />
If you have an emotional tie to your sex partner, it is more gratifying for both, than just a &#8220;hook-up&#8221; for sex.  Sexual desire in humans, is, no different than Animals, but, un-like most animals, most humans, desire an emotional connection along with the physical.  A a happoy forever after, takes daily work, understanding, compromise, respect for each other and love from both parties.</p>
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