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	<title>Comments on: Why OLQ Broke Up</title>
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		<title>By: Kala</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/09/09/why-olq-broke-up/comment-page-1/#comment-25072</link>
		<dc:creator>Kala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The insistence on Explanations reminds me of the classic illogic of a guy thinking he can ask one particular girl, &quot;So what do you like when it comes to cunnilingus?&quot; and that will somehow apply to his experience with all other girls.  Your very particular set of circumstances and experiences would take massive simplification and reduction to express to the world even if you wanted to (and as you said, the geometries are so complex that any one person&#039;s perspective is much less of the whole picture than the he said / she said of a dyad would be).

More broadly, I want to express my complete support for your position.  This is really a damned if you do, damned if you don&#039;t situation.  You had the strength and generosity (and you took the time!) to be out and be a model for everyone&#039;s analysis/consideration, and then this was some people&#039;s response.  It&#039;s surprising to see the volume of people who were essentially still making demands for answers from you in these comments (and I&#039;m sure elsewhere too).  

My family is being public/out and we&#039;re figuring out the material forms that will take (and especially, with a newborn, how to make the time :)).  I truly appreciate everybody who&#039;s forged the path before us.  You owe us nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The insistence on Explanations reminds me of the classic illogic of a guy thinking he can ask one particular girl, &#8220;So what do you like when it comes to cunnilingus?&#8221; and that will somehow apply to his experience with all other girls.  Your very particular set of circumstances and experiences would take massive simplification and reduction to express to the world even if you wanted to (and as you said, the geometries are so complex that any one person&#8217;s perspective is much less of the whole picture than the he said / she said of a dyad would be).</p>
<p>More broadly, I want to express my complete support for your position.  This is really a damned if you do, damned if you don&#8217;t situation.  You had the strength and generosity (and you took the time!) to be out and be a model for everyone&#8217;s analysis/consideration, and then this was some people&#8217;s response.  It&#8217;s surprising to see the volume of people who were essentially still making demands for answers from you in these comments (and I&#8217;m sure elsewhere too).  </p>
<p>My family is being public/out and we&#8217;re figuring out the material forms that will take (and especially, with a newborn, how to make the time :)).  I truly appreciate everybody who&#8217;s forged the path before us.  You owe us nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Goddess of Java</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/09/09/why-olq-broke-up/comment-page-1/#comment-15915</link>
		<dc:creator>Goddess of Java</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*chuckles*  I frequently write about lessons I&#039;ve learned, Joreth.  Just not  from personal stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*chuckles*  I frequently write about lessons I&#8217;ve learned, Joreth.  Just not  from personal stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Joreth</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/09/09/why-olq-broke-up/comment-page-1/#comment-15910</link>
		<dc:creator>Joreth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 things:

1) As someone who has been online long enough that some poly newbies come to me for advice, and someone who has chosen to make her life public so that others can learn from her mistakes, I completely agree that you owed no one anything, but I also have heard from others how valuable my experiences were for them.

My method of handling that is to take some time to gain some objectivity to the situation, then write about it in such a manner that only those who are already privy to those &quot;juicy details&quot; can figure out who I&#039;m talking about.  My post on Confronting The Monsters is such an example.  I felt the lesson learned in that breakup was incredibly valuable and needed to be told (the lesson on confronting fears and direct communication).  But I did so with pseudonyms, no dates or timelines, and not enough reference material to pinpoint the players unless you already knew who they were (for instance, I didn&#039;t say if I was living with them or not, etc.).

I am quite public about all the good stuff (I&#039;ve recently created an NRE tag on LJ and on Twitter), but I abhor the thought of dragging out all the dirty laundry for the public to ogle.  I think it&#039;s poor form and it doesn&#039;t make matters any better, and usually makes things worse.  So I applaud you for not wishing to contribute to that.

But if you can find a way to write it so that the lesson is what is taken from the story, and not the juicy gossip, it is sometimes helpful to see when a public figure has messed up and how, and not just the good stuff.

2) ProfStevie, she&#039;s right, it&#039;s way more than 6 - I think the actual number is 11 relationships in a quad.  That is not the correct formula.  the correct one can be found on a t-shirt at Poly Tees dot com.  It&#039;s far too complicated for me to type here in a plaintext box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 things:</p>
<p>1) As someone who has been online long enough that some poly newbies come to me for advice, and someone who has chosen to make her life public so that others can learn from her mistakes, I completely agree that you owed no one anything, but I also have heard from others how valuable my experiences were for them.</p>
<p>My method of handling that is to take some time to gain some objectivity to the situation, then write about it in such a manner that only those who are already privy to those &#8220;juicy details&#8221; can figure out who I&#8217;m talking about.  My post on Confronting The Monsters is such an example.  I felt the lesson learned in that breakup was incredibly valuable and needed to be told (the lesson on confronting fears and direct communication).  But I did so with pseudonyms, no dates or timelines, and not enough reference material to pinpoint the players unless you already knew who they were (for instance, I didn&#8217;t say if I was living with them or not, etc.).</p>
<p>I am quite public about all the good stuff (I&#8217;ve recently created an NRE tag on LJ and on Twitter), but I abhor the thought of dragging out all the dirty laundry for the public to ogle.  I think it&#8217;s poor form and it doesn&#8217;t make matters any better, and usually makes things worse.  So I applaud you for not wishing to contribute to that.</p>
<p>But if you can find a way to write it so that the lesson is what is taken from the story, and not the juicy gossip, it is sometimes helpful to see when a public figure has messed up and how, and not just the good stuff.</p>
<p>2) ProfStevie, she&#8217;s right, it&#8217;s way more than 6 &#8211; I think the actual number is 11 relationships in a quad.  That is not the correct formula.  the correct one can be found on a t-shirt at Poly Tees dot com.  It&#8217;s far too complicated for me to type here in a plaintext box.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/09/09/why-olq-broke-up/comment-page-1/#comment-8071</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 23:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this is most likely incredibly late I felt I had to reply.  Your advice and articles have been great.  For me and my partners we&#039;ve found humour, hope, and realism in what it&#039;s like to be in ANY relationship.  With all the pitfalls and joys of them.  For that alone we owe you so much to think you owe US is ridiculous.

I just wish to say I am glad that your past the upset at least.  I don&#039;t equate a relationship ending with it being a failure.  Maybe something changed, people change.  We try to change together but that isn&#039;t always the case.  So for a million reasons, a relationship may not last the rest of our lives, but that does not mean it was a failure.  What you had, from our POV, was good, and was nourishing and enriching.  I&#039;m glad you can take that, that we can all take that with us.

A sabbatical is quite often needed, glad you had one, and glad your back in the Poly community, owing no one but who you choose to owe anything to.  All our love to all of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this is most likely incredibly late I felt I had to reply.  Your advice and articles have been great.  For me and my partners we&#8217;ve found humour, hope, and realism in what it&#8217;s like to be in ANY relationship.  With all the pitfalls and joys of them.  For that alone we owe you so much to think you owe US is ridiculous.</p>
<p>I just wish to say I am glad that your past the upset at least.  I don&#8217;t equate a relationship ending with it being a failure.  Maybe something changed, people change.  We try to change together but that isn&#8217;t always the case.  So for a million reasons, a relationship may not last the rest of our lives, but that does not mean it was a failure.  What you had, from our POV, was good, and was nourishing and enriching.  I&#8217;m glad you can take that, that we can all take that with us.</p>
<p>A sabbatical is quite often needed, glad you had one, and glad your back in the Poly community, owing no one but who you choose to owe anything to.  All our love to all of you.</p>
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		<title>By: i_am_andromeda</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/09/09/why-olq-broke-up/comment-page-1/#comment-2406</link>
		<dc:creator>i_am_andromeda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your advice.  I find it useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your advice.  I find it useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Rikibeth</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/09/09/why-olq-broke-up/comment-page-1/#comment-969</link>
		<dc:creator>Rikibeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheye, my ex made a &quot;motion to preserve evidence&quot; that named friendslocked as well as public LJ entries.  It never wound up getting as far as court, but e had every intention of dragging it in there if he had to.  (His hope was to use slashfic I&#039;d written as evidence that I was an unfit parent.  Grrr.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheye, my ex made a &#8220;motion to preserve evidence&#8221; that named friendslocked as well as public LJ entries.  It never wound up getting as far as court, but e had every intention of dragging it in there if he had to.  (His hope was to use slashfic I&#8217;d written as evidence that I was an unfit parent.  Grrr.)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/09/09/why-olq-broke-up/comment-page-1/#comment-951</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just very recently split from my ling-term Primary partner, I can empathise *hugely* with the above article.

Personally, I&#039;ve barely said a word publicly about what&#039;s happened either generally to freinds/co-workers and especiallyon my LJ.  Part of this is down to the excellent advice &quot;Never put anything in writing you don’t want to show up in court&quot; listed above.  I have had heavily filtered posts passed onto those who should in no way get to hear the contents of those posts, so I have no compulsion in believing that anything could potentially be fair game in a court of law.  

My ex-partner, on the other hand, has ranted more publicly to freinds of both of us and on her Livejournal.  I&#039;m not going to comment on what others are doing, but I&#039;m certainly not going to join her and cause the demonic LJ dramallama to induce chaos amongst my freinds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just very recently split from my ling-term Primary partner, I can empathise *hugely* with the above article.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve barely said a word publicly about what&#8217;s happened either generally to freinds/co-workers and especiallyon my LJ.  Part of this is down to the excellent advice &#8220;Never put anything in writing you don’t want to show up in court&#8221; listed above.  I have had heavily filtered posts passed onto those who should in no way get to hear the contents of those posts, so I have no compulsion in believing that anything could potentially be fair game in a court of law.  </p>
<p>My ex-partner, on the other hand, has ranted more publicly to freinds of both of us and on her Livejournal.  I&#8217;m not going to comment on what others are doing, but I&#8217;m certainly not going to join her and cause the demonic LJ dramallama to induce chaos amongst my freinds.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, and thanks for writing it.  I, too, have had some folks approach me off-list &quot;demanding&quot; to know gory details, but I think it was more in the interests of having something juicy and gossipy to gnaw on, and to create some kind of framework to take a side so there could be all the usual nasty snickering and giggling.  After a couple of screw-ups my standard response is now honed to: &quot;My ex-spice are wonderful people and they&#039;re great parents.  If you want to know Noel&#039;s/Moonstaff&#039;s/TheBeast&#039;s viewpoint, GO ASK THEM YOURSELF.&quot;  Great bit of writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, and thanks for writing it.  I, too, have had some folks approach me off-list &#8220;demanding&#8221; to know gory details, but I think it was more in the interests of having something juicy and gossipy to gnaw on, and to create some kind of framework to take a side so there could be all the usual nasty snickering and giggling.  After a couple of screw-ups my standard response is now honed to: &#8220;My ex-spice are wonderful people and they&#8217;re great parents.  If you want to know Noel&#8217;s/Moonstaff&#8217;s/TheBeast&#8217;s viewpoint, GO ASK THEM YOURSELF.&#8221;  Great bit of writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Goddess of Java</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/09/09/why-olq-broke-up/comment-page-1/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator>Goddess of Java</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Sheye, I&#039;ve never heard of friends locked stuff being subpoenaed, but I was presuming that if a diary could be subpoenaed, then probably that could extend to an LJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Sheye, I&#8217;ve never heard of friends locked stuff being subpoenaed, but I was presuming that if a diary could be subpoenaed, then probably that could extend to an LJ.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike DDA, I do indeed think that you had/have the right to be pissed at the person demanded and felt *owed* an explanation.

That said -- do you know anyone who has friends-locked posts given to authorities?

I can see where if one of the friends is willing to print it out, then, it could be used, so even friends-locked can be dangerous. But, I&#039;m wondering if this has born out to be a real situation.

*I* had the public portion of my LJ submitted as court-documents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike DDA, I do indeed think that you had/have the right to be pissed at the person demanded and felt *owed* an explanation.</p>
<p>That said &#8212; do you know anyone who has friends-locked posts given to authorities?</p>
<p>I can see where if one of the friends is willing to print it out, then, it could be used, so even friends-locked can be dangerous. But, I&#8217;m wondering if this has born out to be a real situation.</p>
<p>*I* had the public portion of my LJ submitted as court-documents.</p>
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