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	<title>Comments on: Dependent/Independent/Interdependent</title>
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	<description>Wielding the Stick of Grandmotherly Kindness</description>
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		<title>By: The Polyamorous Misanthrope &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I IZ IN UR EMAIL ANSWERING UR QUESTIONZ</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/10/01/dependentindependentinterdependent/#comment-2326</link>
		<dc:creator>The Polyamorous Misanthrope &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I IZ IN UR EMAIL ANSWERING UR QUESTIONZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] communication is a big help here. I strongly encourage you to check out the Boundaries article on this site, as well as checking out the links on assertive communication at the end of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] communication is a big help here. I strongly encourage you to check out the Boundaries article on this site, as well as checking out the links on assertive communication at the end of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Polyamorous Misanthrope &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Being Used</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/10/01/dependentindependentinterdependent/#comment-2325</link>
		<dc:creator>The Polyamorous Misanthrope &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Being Used</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] adding up to more and more requests for special treatment that start to look like demands (the If You Give a Mouse a Cookie syndrome again). Especially watch for temper tantrums and accusations of being insensitive if you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] adding up to more and more requests for special treatment that start to look like demands (the If You Give a Mouse a Cookie syndrome again). Especially watch for temper tantrums and accusations of being insensitive if you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: freelove999</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/10/01/dependentindependentinterdependent/#comment-1473</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a good article in helping to understand how poly is achievable - through not owning or controlling the lives of others, particularly your lovers. However, I believe the states you talk of are layered, and you might also move in and out of different states. For example, if I am in some kind of crisis situation (hey, life throws at all of us from time to time) this is likely to make me feel more dependent, more needy of those aroud me, and there is nothing wrong with feeling dependency and needing support, even if you are normally independent or interdependent.

Another example, in my poly relationship (I live with my husband and on-and-off with a second man who is the father of my second child), I feel I am in an interdependent relationship with my husband, but have not reached that stage in the second relationship -- I find myself very needy in the second relationship, for a whole range of reasons (e.g. I think the interdependence in a relationship comes from building a solid foundation and takes time to achieve, my second relationship has been somewhat unstable, I get exhausted from childcare and not having enough 'me' time when the second man is not around and sometimes feel quite desperate about it (my husband is supportive in rearing both my children, but i am cautious about relying too much on his good will), and with the second man we are still exploring how our dependence, independence and interdependence can be a comfortable fit for both of us).

Therefore, achieving interdependent relationships is not something you do and then are finished doing -- like everything else in life, it is a process, a journey, not a destination. None of us will ever be defined by entirely one state or another, because we are not final and stable products. And nor, I believe, would we want to be -- half the fun of life is growing, confronting and embracing change, taking on the challenges of new relationships (including relationships with lovers, relationships with friends and relationships with family and children). There is no perfect stasis in life, and at different times we may be better or worse at rolling with the punches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good article in helping to understand how poly is achievable - through not owning or controlling the lives of others, particularly your lovers. However, I believe the states you talk of are layered, and you might also move in and out of different states. For example, if I am in some kind of crisis situation (hey, life throws at all of us from time to time) this is likely to make me feel more dependent, more needy of those aroud me, and there is nothing wrong with feeling dependency and needing support, even if you are normally independent or interdependent.</p>
<p>Another example, in my poly relationship (I live with my husband and on-and-off with a second man who is the father of my second child), I feel I am in an interdependent relationship with my husband, but have not reached that stage in the second relationship &#8212; I find myself very needy in the second relationship, for a whole range of reasons (e.g. I think the interdependence in a relationship comes from building a solid foundation and takes time to achieve, my second relationship has been somewhat unstable, I get exhausted from childcare and not having enough &#8216;me&#8217; time when the second man is not around and sometimes feel quite desperate about it (my husband is supportive in rearing both my children, but i am cautious about relying too much on his good will), and with the second man we are still exploring how our dependence, independence and interdependence can be a comfortable fit for both of us).</p>
<p>Therefore, achieving interdependent relationships is not something you do and then are finished doing &#8212; like everything else in life, it is a process, a journey, not a destination. None of us will ever be defined by entirely one state or another, because we are not final and stable products. And nor, I believe, would we want to be &#8212; half the fun of life is growing, confronting and embracing change, taking on the challenges of new relationships (including relationships with lovers, relationships with friends and relationships with family and children). There is no perfect stasis in life, and at different times we may be better or worse at rolling with the punches.</p>
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		<title>By: Lotte</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/10/01/dependentindependentinterdependent/#comment-1434</link>
		<dc:creator>Lotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome explanation.  The thread on lj-poly about lovers being "enough" was interesting in terms of "needing" more than one partner, and there's this idea floating around that poly people don't have their "needs" met by one person.  I don't need any of my lovers, but I have chosen to intertwine my life with theirs and exchange the joys and duties associated with meeting each others' needs and wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome explanation.  The thread on lj-poly about lovers being &#8220;enough&#8221; was interesting in terms of &#8220;needing&#8221; more than one partner, and there&#8217;s this idea floating around that poly people don&#8217;t have their &#8220;needs&#8221; met by one person.  I don&#8217;t need any of my lovers, but I have chosen to intertwine my life with theirs and exchange the joys and duties associated with meeting each others&#8217; needs and wants.</p>
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		<title>By: 57714_2714</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/10/01/dependentindependentinterdependent/#comment-1432</link>
		<dc:creator>57714_2714</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written. 

And entirely timely.

Thank You!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written. </p>
<p>And entirely timely.</p>
<p>Thank You!</p>
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		<title>By: maka</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2007/10/01/dependentindependentinterdependent/#comment-1392</link>
		<dc:creator>maka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for this....the subject is coming up a lot in one of my relationships lately. i think we needed to read this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for this&#8230;.the subject is coming up a lot in one of my relationships lately. i think we needed to read this.</p>
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