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		<title>By: Goddess of Java</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2008/06/09/stupid-poly-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-7600</link>
		<dc:creator>Goddess of Java</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, consenting to stuff you don't feel right about probably isn't a great way to live.  

The "allowed" part makes me wonder if this individual is really a good choice for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, consenting to stuff you don&#8217;t feel right about probably isn&#8217;t a great way to live.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;allowed&#8221; part makes me wonder if this individual is really a good choice for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Princess</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2008/06/09/stupid-poly-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-7599</link>
		<dc:creator>Princess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my bf is poly with two other women who don't know about me, and I live with him.  Nor do they know about each other.  They each live in different states.  I am the only one who knows about each of them, and I am not allowed to talk to them or in any way let them know about me and the fact that I live with him.  I don't think this is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my bf is poly with two other women who don&#8217;t know about me, and I live with him.  Nor do they know about each other.  They each live in different states.  I am the only one who knows about each of them, and I am not allowed to talk to them or in any way let them know about me and the fact that I live with him.  I don&#8217;t think this is right.</p>
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		<title>By: jackdabastard</title>
		<link>http://www.polyamorousmisanthrope.com/2008/06/09/stupid-poly-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-5345</link>
		<dc:creator>jackdabastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the straight-guys-getting-involved with bi women thing, unless you're just arguing against it being open...

Dunno.  I mean, I been there and done it, and the thing is, there isn't really any fair solution.  Well, actually there is, and that's monogamy--but most bi poly chicks balk at that, holding their relationships with girls somehow apart from their relationships with boys.  Which may very well be an accurate representation of reality--as the self-confessed straight guy I have no idea--but is not necessarily the fairest theory on which to found any agreement.

I mean, I've dated girls.  All of them--even the crazy ones--have given me something unique, something the others didn't or couldn't.  I don't know that categorizing one's interests into male and female realistically represents the various psychosocial needs that your relationship with them fulfills.  I seem to mirror lesbians in a lot of my relationship behaviors, for instance.

Also, if you're interested in hoo-hoos AND ha-has (hehe), then one who is straight must assume it's no different from his various preferences as well.  Perhaps he is turned on by fertility goddesses and also by waifs.  Well, YOU can't be both, just like he is unlikely to be both male and female.  Why should he limit himself when you are unwilling to do the same?  If your answer is that he is asking of you a partial limit, well, that may be true, but 

But even if you do accept the premise that a girl's relationships with girls consistently give her something she never gets from boys, if the straight guy can't date but the bi girl can, you still have a big ugly glaring inequity.  The kind that often will build up venom behind it.  And I don't think that's necessarily smart either.

To put it another way, if you're a bi poly girl and we're in a relationship where I ask you to forego other penis in your life because I deal poorly with it, yes, I place a restriction on you, but you're still poly.  Place a similar restriction on me and suddenly we're in a monogamous/poly relationship, and honestly, not everyone can deal with that kinda inequity.  Seems almost like it'd be more fair to ask me to arbitrarily forego dating some specific subset of females.

Kind of a hotbutton topic for me, too, I guess, judging by volume.  Feedback is welcome; I'm trying to come to terms with my feelings on that kind of relationship.  Send spam c/o jackdabastard at gmail.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the straight-guys-getting-involved with bi women thing, unless you&#8217;re just arguing against it being open&#8230;</p>
<p>Dunno.  I mean, I been there and done it, and the thing is, there isn&#8217;t really any fair solution.  Well, actually there is, and that&#8217;s monogamy&#8211;but most bi poly chicks balk at that, holding their relationships with girls somehow apart from their relationships with boys.  Which may very well be an accurate representation of reality&#8211;as the self-confessed straight guy I have no idea&#8211;but is not necessarily the fairest theory on which to found any agreement.</p>
<p>I mean, I&#8217;ve dated girls.  All of them&#8211;even the crazy ones&#8211;have given me something unique, something the others didn&#8217;t or couldn&#8217;t.  I don&#8217;t know that categorizing one&#8217;s interests into male and female realistically represents the various psychosocial needs that your relationship with them fulfills.  I seem to mirror lesbians in a lot of my relationship behaviors, for instance.</p>
<p>Also, if you&#8217;re interested in hoo-hoos AND ha-has (hehe), then one who is straight must assume it&#8217;s no different from his various preferences as well.  Perhaps he is turned on by fertility goddesses and also by waifs.  Well, YOU can&#8217;t be both, just like he is unlikely to be both male and female.  Why should he limit himself when you are unwilling to do the same?  If your answer is that he is asking of you a partial limit, well, that may be true, but </p>
<p>But even if you do accept the premise that a girl&#8217;s relationships with girls consistently give her something she never gets from boys, if the straight guy can&#8217;t date but the bi girl can, you still have a big ugly glaring inequity.  The kind that often will build up venom behind it.  And I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s necessarily smart either.</p>
<p>To put it another way, if you&#8217;re a bi poly girl and we&#8217;re in a relationship where I ask you to forego other penis in your life because I deal poorly with it, yes, I place a restriction on you, but you&#8217;re still poly.  Place a similar restriction on me and suddenly we&#8217;re in a monogamous/poly relationship, and honestly, not everyone can deal with that kinda inequity.  Seems almost like it&#8217;d be more fair to ask me to arbitrarily forego dating some specific subset of females.</p>
<p>Kind of a hotbutton topic for me, too, I guess, judging by volume.  Feedback is welcome; I&#8217;m trying to come to terms with my feelings on that kind of relationship.  Send spam c/o jackdabastard at gmail.com.</p>
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		<title>By: just_whelmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>just_whelmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled upon your site from the poly LJ community. I just wanted to say thank you so much. As someone new to the poly world I just want to say I really appreciate your blog. A lot of it is common sense but it is super helpful to read it all organized and logical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled upon your site from the poly LJ community. I just wanted to say thank you so much. As someone new to the poly world I just want to say I really appreciate your blog. A lot of it is common sense but it is super helpful to read it all organized and logical.</p>
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		<title>By: MamaCheshire</title>
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		<dc:creator>MamaCheshire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure this is a Stupid Poly Trick so much as a personal hot button, but straight guys getting involved with bi women and saying, "Hey, you can have all the chicks you want and so can I!!!" is something I used to see way too much of, and I'm sure it still goes on.

There's also the ever-popular "trashing the rest of one's life for the sake of the next NRE fix" Stupid Poly Trick.  You know, ignoring not just the current partner but the kids, the job, the bills, and any other inconvenient bits of reality that interrupt the NRE flow...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure this is a Stupid Poly Trick so much as a personal hot button, but straight guys getting involved with bi women and saying, &#8220;Hey, you can have all the chicks you want and so can I!!!&#8221; is something I used to see way too much of, and I&#8217;m sure it still goes on.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the ever-popular &#8220;trashing the rest of one&#8217;s life for the sake of the next NRE fix&#8221; Stupid Poly Trick.  You know, ignoring not just the current partner but the kids, the job, the bills, and any other inconvenient bits of reality that interrupt the NRE flow&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can add a few.  Grants, I'm Christian and only follow polygyny issues...
 
1.  Forcing polygyny down your wife's throat until she gets so tired of hearing you that she caves in.

2.  Taking a disorganized unstructured fisaco and adding an unsuspecting victim to it.

3.  Being so paranoid that you hide your family and constantly harp on how the government is hiding behind every rock - then using the paranoia to abuse the family and keep them silent about it.

4.  Saying that it is easy or giving someone that is unsure advice to "just do it."  Most of the time it is a disaster.

5.  Going on a talk show.

6.  Introducing your second wife as "my wife's sister" (even though she is black and your other wife is white).

7.  Starting a cult.  Then calling hte police nad telling them that they are not welcome.

And the last one and it is a HUGE one for me...

Lying to everyone, refusing to stand up for your rights, and going underground at every little noise.  All that does is tell the world that you know you are wrong, and that what you do is illegal, and it guarantees that the rest of the wold thinks that way as well.  It places every legitimate family in same boat as the crazies and brands you and your family as a cult.  It does no good whatsoever and even your children will be marked with "Coward" becuase it is all they see their entire lives.  It guarantees that the only examples of polygyny are the rotten examples and hides the good examples.  I have very little respect for those that do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can add a few.  Grants, I&#8217;m Christian and only follow polygyny issues&#8230;</p>
<p>1.  Forcing polygyny down your wife&#8217;s throat until she gets so tired of hearing you that she caves in.</p>
<p>2.  Taking a disorganized unstructured fisaco and adding an unsuspecting victim to it.</p>
<p>3.  Being so paranoid that you hide your family and constantly harp on how the government is hiding behind every rock - then using the paranoia to abuse the family and keep them silent about it.</p>
<p>4.  Saying that it is easy or giving someone that is unsure advice to &#8220;just do it.&#8221;  Most of the time it is a disaster.</p>
<p>5.  Going on a talk show.</p>
<p>6.  Introducing your second wife as &#8220;my wife&#8217;s sister&#8221; (even though she is black and your other wife is white).</p>
<p>7.  Starting a cult.  Then calling hte police nad telling them that they are not welcome.</p>
<p>And the last one and it is a HUGE one for me&#8230;</p>
<p>Lying to everyone, refusing to stand up for your rights, and going underground at every little noise.  All that does is tell the world that you know you are wrong, and that what you do is illegal, and it guarantees that the rest of the wold thinks that way as well.  It places every legitimate family in same boat as the crazies and brands you and your family as a cult.  It does no good whatsoever and even your children will be marked with &#8220;Coward&#8221; becuase it is all they see their entire lives.  It guarantees that the only examples of polygyny are the rotten examples and hides the good examples.  I have very little respect for those that do this.</p>
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		<title>By: alan7388</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan7388</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;  they'll be head over heels for anyone I
&#62;  happen to have the hots for." I do not
&#62;  know for the life of me where this
&#62;  nonsense came from.

Oh, easy. People understand this when it's not about humans. Susie falls in love with Bob, who is in love with flyfishing. Susie may discover that she adores standing in the water tossing string and goes burbling about it around the office, and no one thinks it's odd. Maybe it'll wear off post-NRE... or maybe it'll turn into a long-term interest in its own right.

Don't laugh. That is how I because a downhill skier, office burbling included, after 45 years of less than zero interest in it. Today I still love skiing even by myself.

The stupid part would be for Bob to &lt;i&gt;expect&lt;/i&gt; Susie to love flyfishing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;  they&#8217;ll be head over heels for anyone I<br />
&gt;  happen to have the hots for.&#8221; I do not<br />
&gt;  know for the life of me where this<br />
&gt;  nonsense came from.</p>
<p>Oh, easy. People understand this when it&#8217;s not about humans. Susie falls in love with Bob, who is in love with flyfishing. Susie may discover that she adores standing in the water tossing string and goes burbling about it around the office, and no one thinks it&#8217;s odd. Maybe it&#8217;ll wear off post-NRE&#8230; or maybe it&#8217;ll turn into a long-term interest in its own right.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t laugh. That is how I because a downhill skier, office burbling included, after 45 years of less than zero interest in it. Today I still love skiing even by myself.</p>
<p>The stupid part would be for Bob to <i>expect</i> Susie to love flyfishing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalieris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalieris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6 made me absolutely cringe.  I can't imagine how dumb a person would have to be to say "hey, Mom and Dad, thanks for the free rent and child care, but you don't have any say in how many people I sleep with at once because I Am Polyamorous and Evolved, and you're not the boss of me anyhow."  But I know that it happens.  *weeps*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6 made me absolutely cringe.  I can&#8217;t imagine how dumb a person would have to be to say &#8220;hey, Mom and Dad, thanks for the free rent and child care, but you don&#8217;t have any say in how many people I sleep with at once because I Am Polyamorous and Evolved, and you&#8217;re not the boss of me anyhow.&#8221;  But I know that it happens.  *weeps*</p>
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		<title>By: GeminiBalance</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeminiBalance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite stupid poly trick is:

You make poly look easy!  In an effort to emulate you, my SO/spouse and I will now make reckless, uninformed, hurtful, and potentially dangerous changes in our relationship.  We want to do in 3 weeks what took you and your husband 3 years to accomplish.  Wait... what?  It doesn't work like that?  Our relationship problems are now all your fault!  Shame on you!

Eegads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite stupid poly trick is:</p>
<p>You make poly look easy!  In an effort to emulate you, my SO/spouse and I will now make reckless, uninformed, hurtful, and potentially dangerous changes in our relationship.  We want to do in 3 weeks what took you and your husband 3 years to accomplish.  Wait&#8230; what?  It doesn&#8217;t work like that?  Our relationship problems are now all your fault!  Shame on you!</p>
<p>Eegads.</p>
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